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		By: Introduction of Fonts as a Service - we are typoholics		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-85455</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Introduction of Fonts as a Service - we are typoholics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 06:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] [3] Examining Typekit, May 31st, 2009 (https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] [3] Examining Typekit, May 31st, 2009 (<a href="https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit" rel="ugc">https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit</a>) [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-59713</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[zeldman: I&#039;m late in replying to this, but when I first read your comment, I had to think for a second what you were referring to.  Then yes, I got it: you&#039;re referring to the linking of the word &quot;validatorian&quot; to the WaSP, and you&#039;re correct in that I am not -- and should not be -- referring to everyone involved in the Web Standards Project. My early interactions with WaSP were colored by the actions of one overly combative individual on staff and in the end, everything worked out ok. As you already know, you were one of the voices of reason throughout, and I will always appreciate that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zeldman: I&#8217;m late in replying to this, but when I first read your comment, I had to think for a second what you were referring to.  Then yes, I got it: you&#8217;re referring to the linking of the word &#8220;validatorian&#8221; to the WaSP, and you&#8217;re correct in that I am not &#8212; and should not be &#8212; referring to everyone involved in the Web Standards Project. My early interactions with WaSP were colored by the actions of one overly combative individual on staff and in the end, everything worked out ok. As you already know, you were one of the voices of reason throughout, and I will always appreciate that.</p>
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		By: Typekit finally launches &#171; Neoco&#8217;s blog &#8211; keep up to date with the best digital marketing agency in the world!		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-42001</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Typekit finally launches &#171; Neoco&#8217;s blog &#8211; keep up to date with the best digital marketing agency in the world!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] best thing to happen to web design since the re-emergence of browser competitiveness as voiced by Mike Davidson back in May? or is it a false dawn for web typography.  Leave a Comment   No Comments Yet so far  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] best thing to happen to web design since the re-emergence of browser competitiveness as voiced by Mike Davidson back in May? or is it a false dawn for web typography.  Leave a Comment   No Comments Yet so far  [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Barker Design &#124; Graphic &#38; Web Development &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Font-as-Service		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41675</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barker Design &#124; Graphic &#38; Web Development &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Font-as-Service]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] the various opinion pieces: Andy Clarke offers a very thorough walk-through of the service, and Mike Davidson examines (among other things) the question of Typekit’s compatibility reach. Because of these posts (and others, of course), there seems little point in me repeating the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the various opinion pieces: Andy Clarke offers a very thorough walk-through of the service, and Mike Davidson examines (among other things) the question of Typekit’s compatibility reach. Because of these posts (and others, of course), there seems little point in me repeating the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: The hazy future of Web typography &#124; The NewMediaStudio, Custom PHP and MySQL Applications		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41618</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The hazy future of Web typography &#124; The NewMediaStudio, Custom PHP and MySQL Applications]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] far these solutions have generated a lot of debate, but very little consensus. Designers aren&#8217;t really keen on new font formats. Adding support [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] far these solutions have generated a lot of debate, but very little consensus. Designers aren&#8217;t really keen on new font formats. Adding support [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: zeldman		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41514</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
I still remember how much crap I took at ESPN from validatorians when we decided to leave Netscape 4 — with its 1% marketshare — behind.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, one member of The Web Standards Project (me) praised you to the skies for redesigning ESPN with web standards and promoted you and your work widely. Another member of The Web Standards Project claimed it was wrong to call the ESPN &quot;standards-based&quot; if it didn&#039;t validate. Neither of us was speaking for the group. Most followers of The Web Standards Project got that you had done something important for standards-based design. If they didn&#039;t get it at first, they surely got it when DWWS 1e came out, praising what you had done. 

The WaSP never issued an official statement about your work, nor did anyone from webstandards.org, to my knowledge, criticize you for blocking Netscape 4 -- something we had done (and A List Apart had done) years earlier.

I respect you so immensely for your achievements as a designer, publisher, and thinker. And your words mean so much to so many people who read you. I wish you stick to the facts and stop making The Web Standards Project a goat simply because you had an unpleasant email exchange with one member of The Project, who was speaking for himself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
I still remember how much crap I took at ESPN from validatorians when we decided to leave Netscape 4 — with its 1% marketshare — behind.
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<p>Actually, one member of The Web Standards Project (me) praised you to the skies for redesigning ESPN with web standards and promoted you and your work widely. Another member of The Web Standards Project claimed it was wrong to call the ESPN &#8220;standards-based&#8221; if it didn&#8217;t validate. Neither of us was speaking for the group. Most followers of The Web Standards Project got that you had done something important for standards-based design. If they didn&#8217;t get it at first, they surely got it when DWWS 1e came out, praising what you had done. </p>
<p>The WaSP never issued an official statement about your work, nor did anyone from webstandards.org, to my knowledge, criticize you for blocking Netscape 4 &#8212; something we had done (and A List Apart had done) years earlier.</p>
<p>I respect you so immensely for your achievements as a designer, publisher, and thinker. And your words mean so much to so many people who read you. I wish you stick to the facts and stop making The Web Standards Project a goat simply because you had an unpleasant email exchange with one member of The Project, who was speaking for himself.</p>
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		By: The Font-as-Service &#124; More On Design		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41509</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Font-as-Service &#124; More On Design]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] the various opinion pieces: Andy Clarke offers a very thorough walk-through of the service, and Mike Davidson examines (among other things) the question of Typekit’s compatibility reach. Because of these posts (and others, of course), there seems little point in me repeating the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the various opinion pieces: Andy Clarke offers a very thorough walk-through of the service, and Mike Davidson examines (among other things) the question of Typekit’s compatibility reach. Because of these posts (and others, of course), there seems little point in me repeating the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: &#124; jaguatelevisor &#124; tipografía ha mba’e desde asunción		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41502</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#124; jaguatelevisor &#124; tipografía ha mba’e desde asunción]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] sites hanging as we wait for the Javascript bits and font files to load? -Jeff Croft, opinando en el post dónde Mike Davids analiza Typekit, vía [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] sites hanging as we wait for the Javascript bits and font files to load? -Jeff Croft, opinando en el post dónde Mike Davids analiza Typekit, vía [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: The Font-as-Service &#124; i love typography, the typography and fonts blog		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41500</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Font-as-Service &#124; i love typography, the typography and fonts blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] the various opinion pieces: Andy Clarke offers a very thorough walk-through of the service, and Mike Davidson examines (among other things) the question of Typekit’s compatibility reach. Because of these posts (and others, of course), there seems little point in me repeating the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the various opinion pieces: Andy Clarke offers a very thorough walk-through of the service, and Mike Davidson examines (among other things) the question of Typekit’s compatibility reach. Because of these posts (and others, of course), there seems little point in me repeating the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: KLIM Type &#124; i love typography, the typography and fonts blog		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41254</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KLIM Type &#124; i love typography, the typography and fonts blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Examining TypeKit Why TypeKit will change everything TypeKit — another layer of complexity [...]]]></description>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41173</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah here come the anti-DRM freedom fighters...

Lieuwe: I don&#039;t mean that Typekit itself will cost 0-100 bucks per domain... I mean that the license for the typeface will cost that much. With sIFR, you still have to pay for the *full* license for the typeface (rather than just a web-only license) so my hope is that Typekit will actually be *cheaper*, not more expensive than sIFR.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah here come the anti-DRM freedom fighters&#8230;</p>
<p>Lieuwe: I don&#8217;t mean that Typekit itself will cost 0-100 bucks per domain&#8230; I mean that the license for the typeface will cost that much. With sIFR, you still have to pay for the *full* license for the typeface (rather than just a web-only license) so my hope is that Typekit will actually be *cheaper*, not more expensive than sIFR.</p>
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		By: Lieuwe		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41172</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lieuwe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 07:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All in all a great effort. Using one browser dependent language/technology less then other solutions (Flash) with this great compatibility result is definitely a step forward in this big webdesign issue.

But if Typekit is going to cost $0-$100 per typeface, per domain, depending on the typeface, then it is $1-%100,- more expensive to use then sFIR, whilst both do the job with almost the same result for the visitor of a website.

In my honest opinion: However great the solution might be; if it will cost money, I do not see it taking of bigtime. Even if the solution only use CSS, was W3 supported and 100% browser compatible, since the costfree solutions are accepted as good enough by almost all the clients I know. I doubt if they want to pay for this almost perfect solution. But then again, if my predictions where always right, I would have been floating on an air mattress on my private island in the sun right now, wondering why the butler did not bring my drink yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All in all a great effort. Using one browser dependent language/technology less then other solutions (Flash) with this great compatibility result is definitely a step forward in this big webdesign issue.</p>
<p>But if Typekit is going to cost $0-$100 per typeface, per domain, depending on the typeface, then it is $1-%100,- more expensive to use then sFIR, whilst both do the job with almost the same result for the visitor of a website.</p>
<p>In my honest opinion: However great the solution might be; if it will cost money, I do not see it taking of bigtime. Even if the solution only use CSS, was W3 supported and 100% browser compatible, since the costfree solutions are accepted as good enough by almost all the clients I know. I doubt if they want to pay for this almost perfect solution. But then again, if my predictions where always right, I would have been floating on an air mattress on my private island in the sun right now, wondering why the butler did not bring my drink yet.</p>
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		By: Steve K		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41167</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As ever I think Jeff Croft is the voice of reason around all the hype. I believe I will reserve my judgement until examples appear and the price plan is revealed.]]></description>
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		By: Adrian Simmons		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41152</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Simmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Rilly I&#039;m not sure that it&#039;s DRM per se that is a problem, but rather that it&#039;s a hackish attempt to layer font DRM onto the web.

It just reminds me of of all the umpteen DRM/anti-piracy technologies that were tried with CD&#039;s, were easily circumvented and thus completely pointless inconveniences to honest customers. Even &#039;easy&#039; DRM like Apple&#039;s fairplay/iTunes ultimately seems to be giving way to DRM-less digital music.

Sooner or later one major foundry is going to wake up, EMI style and realise it can make more money selling customers what they want than putting pointless barriers up that degrade customer experience. But perhaps they just need to go through the process like the music companies did.

It&#039;s possible a proper DRM system could be developed, but it&#039;d need foundry support, OS vendor support (including Linux) and browser support. We&#039;re talking 10-20 years at current rate of progress. In the mean time how much money are the foundries losing by not having DRM-less font licensing for the web today? How much have the lost over the last 10 years?

I&#039;m tired of telling designers and customers &quot;No, you can&#039;t have any font you want&quot; and I don&#039;t see Typekit changing that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rilly I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;s DRM per se that is a problem, but rather that it&#8217;s a hackish attempt to layer font DRM onto the web.</p>
<p>It just reminds me of of all the umpteen DRM/anti-piracy technologies that were tried with CD&#8217;s, were easily circumvented and thus completely pointless inconveniences to honest customers. Even &#8216;easy&#8217; DRM like Apple&#8217;s fairplay/iTunes ultimately seems to be giving way to DRM-less digital music.</p>
<p>Sooner or later one major foundry is going to wake up, EMI style and realise it can make more money selling customers what they want than putting pointless barriers up that degrade customer experience. But perhaps they just need to go through the process like the music companies did.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible a proper DRM system could be developed, but it&#8217;d need foundry support, OS vendor support (including Linux) and browser support. We&#8217;re talking 10-20 years at current rate of progress. In the mean time how much money are the foundries losing by not having DRM-less font licensing for the web today? How much have the lost over the last 10 years?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of telling designers and customers &#8220;No, you can&#8217;t have any font you want&#8221; and I don&#8217;t see Typekit changing that.</p>
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		By: Links L • Peter Kröner, Webdesigner &#38; Frontendentwickler		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2009/05/examining-typekit#comment-41150</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Links L • Peter Kröner, Webdesigner &#38; Frontendentwickler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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