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		By: Grim H		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-660087</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TL:DR:  I agree with the OP, and the commentator who wants food and beverages with fake sugar to be labeled &quot;DIET.&quot; 
The oldest comments on this blog seem quaint with their notion that a reasonable person might be surprised to find sucralose or stevia in something labeled &quot;reduced sugar.&quot; Now we are lucky to get any warning at all.  Not unlike the situation of S. Ellington who commented a couple months ago, the impetus for my google search of &quot;why is there sucralose in my pickles&quot; was a jar of Vlasic pickles.  I had already gotten accustomed to having to read the labels a couple years ago when I discovered stevia in my *cinnamon toast* and kombucha.  At least most pear and peach canners are honorable enough to indicate &quot;no sugar added&quot; on their labels.  But labels nor ingredient lists are much help when you are doing curbside grocery pick-up because of covid.

What really astonishes me in these comments are the number of people who feel that other people who prefer &quot;real sugar&quot; (which includes corn syrup in this specific context) should have to justify themselves.  A large percentage of people would rather forego a sweet thing all together than to deal with the aftertaste of fake sugar (which includes stevia, natural or not.  I actually use some to cut the amount of sugar in my coffee, but it sure as heck is not sugar).  

As far as labeling, it does seem that the real sugar contingent has an uphill battle.  Appeals to the health risks of aspartame, saccharine, sucralose, stevia, etc. will be met with the response that high fructose corn syrup is worse.  While that response is a poor argument in my opinion, it has just enough logic in it to muddy the waters.  And &quot;the market&quot; doesn&#039;t look likely to solve the problem based on the direction things have gone since the original post.

While a modern English-speaker might not be surprised to hear that appeals to &quot;aesthetics&quot; generally fall on deaf ears when it comes to regulatory matters, one might consider that the original Greek word &quot;aisthesthai&quot; means &quot;perceive.&quot;  The association of the word &quot;aesthetics&quot; with beauty and art has its origins in 18th century German usage.  While I may personally feel that stevia in cinnamon bread is an aesthetic abomination, you may disagree.  What you cannot disagree with is that I immediately *perceive* any fake sugar, and that could easily be tested empirically.  For me, the difference between fake and real sugar is as substantial as say, the difference between pears and peaches.  For example, I might prefer peaches in my cottage cheese to pears, but NOT if the peaches contain sucralose and the pears don&#039;t.  In other words, for a good portion of the population, whether something has fake sugar in it concretely determines what we perceive it TO BE.  And adequate labeling in the marketplace should reflect what something IS.  While we surely cannot accommodate every idiosyncrasy in sense perception, if the presence of some ingredient ruins a food for half the population, we should have a label for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TL:DR:  I agree with the OP, and the commentator who wants food and beverages with fake sugar to be labeled &#8220;DIET.&#8221;<br />
The oldest comments on this blog seem quaint with their notion that a reasonable person might be surprised to find sucralose or stevia in something labeled &#8220;reduced sugar.&#8221; Now we are lucky to get any warning at all.  Not unlike the situation of S. Ellington who commented a couple months ago, the impetus for my google search of &#8220;why is there sucralose in my pickles&#8221; was a jar of Vlasic pickles.  I had already gotten accustomed to having to read the labels a couple years ago when I discovered stevia in my *cinnamon toast* and kombucha.  At least most pear and peach canners are honorable enough to indicate &#8220;no sugar added&#8221; on their labels.  But labels nor ingredient lists are much help when you are doing curbside grocery pick-up because of covid.</p>
<p>What really astonishes me in these comments are the number of people who feel that other people who prefer &#8220;real sugar&#8221; (which includes corn syrup in this specific context) should have to justify themselves.  A large percentage of people would rather forego a sweet thing all together than to deal with the aftertaste of fake sugar (which includes stevia, natural or not.  I actually use some to cut the amount of sugar in my coffee, but it sure as heck is not sugar).  </p>
<p>As far as labeling, it does seem that the real sugar contingent has an uphill battle.  Appeals to the health risks of aspartame, saccharine, sucralose, stevia, etc. will be met with the response that high fructose corn syrup is worse.  While that response is a poor argument in my opinion, it has just enough logic in it to muddy the waters.  And &#8220;the market&#8221; doesn&#8217;t look likely to solve the problem based on the direction things have gone since the original post.</p>
<p>While a modern English-speaker might not be surprised to hear that appeals to &#8220;aesthetics&#8221; generally fall on deaf ears when it comes to regulatory matters, one might consider that the original Greek word &#8220;aisthesthai&#8221; means &#8220;perceive.&#8221;  The association of the word &#8220;aesthetics&#8221; with beauty and art has its origins in 18th century German usage.  While I may personally feel that stevia in cinnamon bread is an aesthetic abomination, you may disagree.  What you cannot disagree with is that I immediately *perceive* any fake sugar, and that could easily be tested empirically.  For me, the difference between fake and real sugar is as substantial as say, the difference between pears and peaches.  For example, I might prefer peaches in my cottage cheese to pears, but NOT if the peaches contain sucralose and the pears don&#8217;t.  In other words, for a good portion of the population, whether something has fake sugar in it concretely determines what we perceive it TO BE.  And adequate labeling in the marketplace should reflect what something IS.  While we surely cannot accommodate every idiosyncrasy in sense perception, if the presence of some ingredient ruins a food for half the population, we should have a label for that.</p>
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		By: Nick		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-618031</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2020 07:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I hate the stuff too.  For me, stevia is another bad one, which has become common too.
I mostly avoid sugary drinks, but I do it by choosing drinks that are less sweet, and detest artificial sweeteners.
I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with them for people who want low calorie sweeteners, but they should be clearly labeled, including sucralose, and stevia.  
Usually any time I mention this, I get a dozen people telling me how it&#039;s natural, and how great it is.

I don&#039;t care.  If a food or drink is sweetened with anything that is not a true sugar, whether artificial or natural in origin (HFCS is still a sugar), I don&#039;t want it.

The once every few weeks I decide to treat myself with a sugary drink, I really don&#039;t want to be surprised by the disgusting back of the throat sweetness that just won&#039;t go away when I accidentally drink something that claims to either be naturally sweetened, or completely un-indicated, and it turns out to contain stevia.

Sucralose isn&#039;t quite as nasty tasting to me, and I might not always notice it&#039;s there, but I still avoid it out of principle, like all the other fakers.  If my diet contains too many calories, I&#039;d prefer to correct it by eating less sugars, not eating fake ones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I hate the stuff too.  For me, stevia is another bad one, which has become common too.<br />
I mostly avoid sugary drinks, but I do it by choosing drinks that are less sweet, and detest artificial sweeteners.<br />
I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with them for people who want low calorie sweeteners, but they should be clearly labeled, including sucralose, and stevia.<br />
Usually any time I mention this, I get a dozen people telling me how it&#8217;s natural, and how great it is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care.  If a food or drink is sweetened with anything that is not a true sugar, whether artificial or natural in origin (HFCS is still a sugar), I don&#8217;t want it.</p>
<p>The once every few weeks I decide to treat myself with a sugary drink, I really don&#8217;t want to be surprised by the disgusting back of the throat sweetness that just won&#8217;t go away when I accidentally drink something that claims to either be naturally sweetened, or completely un-indicated, and it turns out to contain stevia.</p>
<p>Sucralose isn&#8217;t quite as nasty tasting to me, and I might not always notice it&#8217;s there, but I still avoid it out of principle, like all the other fakers.  If my diet contains too many calories, I&#8217;d prefer to correct it by eating less sugars, not eating fake ones.</p>
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		By: Sarah Lee Ellington		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-606651</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2020 14:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I got me a nice bait of Sucralose from Vlasic bread &#038; butter pickles yesterday.. then came the migraine and stomach cramping.. never would I have thought in a million years I would have to read the ingredient list on a darn jar of pickles to be sure no artificial sweetner was in it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got me a nice bait of Sucralose from Vlasic bread &amp; butter pickles yesterday.. then came the migraine and stomach cramping.. never would I have thought in a million years I would have to read the ingredient list on a darn jar of pickles to be sure no artificial sweetner was in it.</p>
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		By: Sarah Lee Ellington		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-606647</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Lee Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2020 14:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[actually Kev Morrison, sucrose is real sugar while sucralose is artificial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually Kev Morrison, sucrose is real sugar while sucralose is artificial.</p>
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		By: Kev Morrison		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-606372</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2020 19:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aspartame
Sucrose
Suclarose
Stevia Leaf
There&#039;s at least three others I know of but cannot remember the names of.

Also of note is the generic term: Natural and Artificial flavors.
Guess what one of the Natural Flavors is: Beaver Anus Sweat Gland Extract!
Look up Vanilla and Raspberry]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aspartame<br />
Sucrose<br />
Suclarose<br />
Stevia Leaf<br />
There&#8217;s at least three others I know of but cannot remember the names of.</p>
<p>Also of note is the generic term: Natural and Artificial flavors.<br />
Guess what one of the Natural Flavors is: Beaver Anus Sweat Gland Extract!<br />
Look up Vanilla and Raspberry</p>
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		By: BadState		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-564120</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s gotten much worse. They&#039;re now slipping sucralose in TONS of products in combination with sugar, with absolutely no indication that these are meant to be low sugar or diet products in any way. REGULAR sodas often contain it now, as do a number of baked goods and snacks. I guess the majority of people don&#039;t notice it, but I can taste it a mile away, and it gives me bad headaches if I consume too much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s gotten much worse. They&#8217;re now slipping sucralose in TONS of products in combination with sugar, with absolutely no indication that these are meant to be low sugar or diet products in any way. REGULAR sodas often contain it now, as do a number of baked goods and snacks. I guess the majority of people don&#8217;t notice it, but I can taste it a mile away, and it gives me bad headaches if I consume too much.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-531764</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2019 19:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As somebody EXTREMELY allergic to sucralose, nearly hospitalized on multiple occasions level allergic, I can&#039;t afford to eat or drink anything if I can&#039;t read the ingredients list to check for it, because manufacturers have been sneaking it into more and more things.  I worry that I&#039;ll soon be unable to eat at any restaurants; so far, I haven&#039;t encountered any in food prepared on site, as it&#039;s hard to cook with, but fear that changing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As somebody EXTREMELY allergic to sucralose, nearly hospitalized on multiple occasions level allergic, I can&#8217;t afford to eat or drink anything if I can&#8217;t read the ingredients list to check for it, because manufacturers have been sneaking it into more and more things.  I worry that I&#8217;ll soon be unable to eat at any restaurants; so far, I haven&#8217;t encountered any in food prepared on site, as it&#8217;s hard to cook with, but fear that changing.</p>
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		By: Margo		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-521527</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2019 01:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hate sucralose and it hates me. It gives me severe migranes and, yes, now they are putting this poison (for me at least) into sugared drinks! I knew to look for it in diet drinks. Now I have to read the labels of the sugar drinks to avoid it too!!!! Super annoyed!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate sucralose and it hates me. It gives me severe migranes and, yes, now they are putting this poison (for me at least) into sugared drinks! I knew to look for it in diet drinks. Now I have to read the labels of the sugar drinks to avoid it too!!!! Super annoyed!</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-431368</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2017 23:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am one of the few blessed with having surcralose taste like crap, it is a major blessing because I am also allergic to the garbage.  
You would be surprised how many things it is in, it is horrid.  Fruit drinks (not diet, not low calorie, not low sugar, just plain old fruit drinks) or even things like Icees.

Really it sucks spending so much time reading through ingredients, I hate being allergic.  Luckily, if I miss it or I get something at a restaurant with it, I know instantly, and usually only have some scratchy throat or such.

I am all about science, but fake sugar has not ended well in the past, it can&#039;t end well in the future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of the few blessed with having surcralose taste like crap, it is a major blessing because I am also allergic to the garbage.<br />
You would be surprised how many things it is in, it is horrid.  Fruit drinks (not diet, not low calorie, not low sugar, just plain old fruit drinks) or even things like Icees.</p>
<p>Really it sucks spending so much time reading through ingredients, I hate being allergic.  Luckily, if I miss it or I get something at a restaurant with it, I know instantly, and usually only have some scratchy throat or such.</p>
<p>I am all about science, but fake sugar has not ended well in the past, it can&#8217;t end well in the future.</p>
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		By: TommyD		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-414346</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mid-2017 and I came here looking up articles on sucralose.  Infested is a great word for it.  Faygo, a michigan based soft drink company, used to be one of my favorite brands.  They&#039;ve switched to sucralose.  Such a disappointment.  They lost us as customers. Getting harder and harder to find products w/out it. It&#039;s getting to where as soon as I eat or drink a previously loved food, and it tastes off, I don&#039;t even have to look at the label. I know it&#039;s another food, or drink, that&#039;s been ruined thanks to sucralose. Add it to the list of things we don&#039;t buy anymore]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mid-2017 and I came here looking up articles on sucralose.  Infested is a great word for it.  Faygo, a michigan based soft drink company, used to be one of my favorite brands.  They&#8217;ve switched to sucralose.  Such a disappointment.  They lost us as customers. Getting harder and harder to find products w/out it. It&#8217;s getting to where as soon as I eat or drink a previously loved food, and it tastes off, I don&#8217;t even have to look at the label. I know it&#8217;s another food, or drink, that&#8217;s been ruined thanks to sucralose. Add it to the list of things we don&#8217;t buy anymore</p>
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		By: Sarah Ellington		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-398244</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Ellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2016 14:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here we are in 2016 and after finding this blog now I know I&#039;m not going crazy. Even my beloved Nestlé Quik I quit buying LONG ago because it now contains sucralose. The artificial sweeteners really make me ill. I thought maybe that was all in my head too until I consumed sucralose without knowing it because it was listed at the bottom as everyone else is saying here. Did you all know that the body doesn&#039;t recognize it as food and it passes on out as waste thru our urine and is possibly a threat to the environment now? It sticks on the rocks at the waterlines of the waste processing facilities but researchers say that they &quot;need to study the effects for about 15 years before they know.&quot;  You can google &quot; sucralose impact on the environment&quot; and find loads of info on this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we are in 2016 and after finding this blog now I know I&#8217;m not going crazy. Even my beloved Nestlé Quik I quit buying LONG ago because it now contains sucralose. The artificial sweeteners really make me ill. I thought maybe that was all in my head too until I consumed sucralose without knowing it because it was listed at the bottom as everyone else is saying here. Did you all know that the body doesn&#8217;t recognize it as food and it passes on out as waste thru our urine and is possibly a threat to the environment now? It sticks on the rocks at the waterlines of the waste processing facilities but researchers say that they &#8220;need to study the effects for about 15 years before they know.&#8221;  You can google &#8221; sucralose impact on the environment&#8221; and find loads of info on this.</p>
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		By: Russ		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-280237</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suffer from short bowel syndrome and cannot consume much sugar.  I started using splenda (small amounts) and ended up in the hospital with all sort of SERIOUS intestinal problems, then broke out in a rash all over my body.  The docs didn&#039;t know what was wrong, but when I discontinued use of sucralose things got better immediately.  I sure hate paying the hospital bills associated with it.  It&#039;s poison for your body... don&#039;t consume it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suffer from short bowel syndrome and cannot consume much sugar.  I started using splenda (small amounts) and ended up in the hospital with all sort of SERIOUS intestinal problems, then broke out in a rash all over my body.  The docs didn&#8217;t know what was wrong, but when I discontinued use of sucralose things got better immediately.  I sure hate paying the hospital bills associated with it.  It&#8217;s poison for your body&#8230; don&#8217;t consume it!</p>
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		By: Randi		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-89790</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had the same problem with the Emerald cocoa almonds and some kettle corn popcorn.  I KNOW they used to make the kettle corn without sucralose... now you cannot find even ONE brand that doesn&#039;t have it.
Also I think a lot of people missed the point of the original post.  The posts about how real sugar and high fructose corn syrup are unhealthy are aren&#039;t relevant.  We want our normal foods and beverages not to have artificial sweeteners in them.  If they have fake sugar they should be labeled as diet or light on the FRONT of the package.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had the same problem with the Emerald cocoa almonds and some kettle corn popcorn.  I KNOW they used to make the kettle corn without sucralose&#8230; now you cannot find even ONE brand that doesn&#8217;t have it.<br />
Also I think a lot of people missed the point of the original post.  The posts about how real sugar and high fructose corn syrup are unhealthy are aren&#8217;t relevant.  We want our normal foods and beverages not to have artificial sweeteners in them.  If they have fake sugar they should be labeled as diet or light on the FRONT of the package.</p>
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		By: Randi		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-89789</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hadn&#039;t had lipton&#039;s brisk tea in a while and saw it in the store and realllly wanted some so I bought it.  On the first sip something was off... I turned it around and it only has 80 calories in the can.  I knew that didn&#039;t sound right so I checked the ingredients.  Sure enough, there&#039;s sucralose in it!  Lovely stomach pains followed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t had lipton&#8217;s brisk tea in a while and saw it in the store and realllly wanted some so I bought it.  On the first sip something was off&#8230; I turned it around and it only has 80 calories in the can.  I knew that didn&#8217;t sound right so I checked the ingredients.  Sure enough, there&#8217;s sucralose in it!  Lovely stomach pains followed.</p>
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		By: andy		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/07/the-growing-sucralose-infestation#comment-89155</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s now early 2013 and the problem is growing.  Even hot chocolate mix (nestle, swiss miss) have sucralose in their regular products.  Ugh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s now early 2013 and the problem is growing.  Even hot chocolate mix (nestle, swiss miss) have sucralose in their regular products.  Ugh.</p>
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