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		By: modemlooper		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33589</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[modemlooper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i actually think they messed up the name. It should have been imac nano and then had a smaller just phone version.

I use my iphone as a mobile computer more than a phone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i actually think they messed up the name. It should have been imac nano and then had a smaller just phone version.</p>
<p>I use my iphone as a mobile computer more than a phone.</p>
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		By: wesley		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33586</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wesley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hate AT&#038;T. Never ever will I go to them. Just a personal preference and past experience. I&#039;m going to see what the Instinct has to offer. The iphone is so hot and looks so cool, but I just can&#039;t make the switch. Sounds like I&#039;m trying to get off windows again... Nevertheless it&#039;s rather Apple of Apple to create an exclusive agreement with AT&#038;T. I wonder when that contract expires and if they will open it up to the rest of the providers out there. Unless Apple has a stake in AT&#038;T maybe ponying up for a takeover?) what reason would they have to remaining exclusive. Everyone wants one, only AT&#038;Ters get it. I mean they got on the app-store bandwagon quick after millions of hacked phones. I mean, I use a hackintosh for christ sakes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate AT&amp;T. Never ever will I go to them. Just a personal preference and past experience. I&#8217;m going to see what the Instinct has to offer. The iphone is so hot and looks so cool, but I just can&#8217;t make the switch. Sounds like I&#8217;m trying to get off windows again&#8230; Nevertheless it&#8217;s rather Apple of Apple to create an exclusive agreement with AT&amp;T. I wonder when that contract expires and if they will open it up to the rest of the providers out there. Unless Apple has a stake in AT&amp;T maybe ponying up for a takeover?) what reason would they have to remaining exclusive. Everyone wants one, only AT&amp;Ters get it. I mean they got on the app-store bandwagon quick after millions of hacked phones. I mean, I use a hackintosh for christ sakes.</p>
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		By: alphadog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alphadog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s see, do I hate AT&#038;T less than I lust for the new iPhone?

I really, really, really hate AT&#038;T. Really. Their customer service is absolutely the bottom of a bad mobile barrel in the US. It may be fine for the retail space, where there isn&#039;t a strong dependency on a good provider, but for an IT manager in a small company like me, AT&#038;T is a horrid partner.

And, I speak from experience. As an example, a recent order for a batch of 5 phones resulted in a bad setup. I spent five hours on the phone, going through nine(!) departments, and six the next day to get the issues resolved. That&#039;s just one example.

It&#039;s really too bad that Apple went with AT&#038;T. That is one of the principal factors preventing my personal and work-related adoption of the iPhone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, do I hate AT&amp;T less than I lust for the new iPhone?</p>
<p>I really, really, really hate AT&amp;T. Really. Their customer service is absolutely the bottom of a bad mobile barrel in the US. It may be fine for the retail space, where there isn&#8217;t a strong dependency on a good provider, but for an IT manager in a small company like me, AT&amp;T is a horrid partner.</p>
<p>And, I speak from experience. As an example, a recent order for a batch of 5 phones resulted in a bad setup. I spent five hours on the phone, going through nine(!) departments, and six the next day to get the issues resolved. That&#8217;s just one example.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really too bad that Apple went with AT&amp;T. That is one of the principal factors preventing my personal and work-related adoption of the iPhone.</p>
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		By: Eric Atkins		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33405</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Atkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How can you pick another phone?

How about a phone that:
you can tether to your laptop 
record videos
has a focus on the camera
has a zoom on the camera
has a light or flash on the camera
has a second camera on the front of the phone for video conferencing
has an 800 x 480 touch screen (2.5 times the resolution of iPhone)
has a QWERTY keyboard
supports MMS messaging (does the iPhone support this now?)
has voice recording
runs open source software
supports HSUPA
supports HSDPA 7.2 (actually, the iPhone may support this; I&#039;m not sure)

The iPhone does none of the above.  

The Sony Ericcson Xperia does all of the above and supports almost all of the same features that the iPhone has except for internal storage (however the Xperia supports microSD cards).  I don&#039;t know about you guys...actually, I DO know about you guys...but I&#039;m going to rock the Xperia.  The only thing I&#039;m giving up over the iPhone is the internal storage which can be matched (exceeded if I buy multiple cards) via microSD.  

If the iPhone doesn&#039;t support HSDPA 7.2 (I know it doesn&#039;t support HSUPA), the Xperia will be able to download data twice as fast as the iPhone.  Uploading data from the Xperia is going to be several times faster than on the iPhone.

I like Apple.  The iPhone is rock solid and you can&#039;t really go wrong with that device.  I may get one for my wife who is a casual mobile device user.  

But make no mistake.  Apple mobile devices are about software and services.  The iPod is about iTunes and the music store.  Apple wants the iPhone to be about iTunes and the marketplace.  They want to control what goes on your device.  I&#039;m opposed to that kind of restriction.  

Think about everything open source software is.  Look how almost everyone reading this blog supports open source.  The iPhone 3rd party apps are the exact opposite of the open source software movement.

And I know WinMo has problems.  I&#039;m in my 3rd year of WinMo usage.  

I think I know what I&#039;m getting into.  

Look at the iPod hardware.  Today and even back then when the iPods first came out, you could find MP3 hardware that was superior (that is, hardware that had more capability).  However, iPod took the marketshare because, well, Apple is Apple and they had a rebirth; great software and services, thousands of publisher deals, and a slick and simple UI.

History is repeating itself with the iPhone.  Phones are out there that have better hardware capabilities.  Heck, the 3G iPhone lack features that were on phones years ago.  

However, Apple is going to have a winner with it&#039;s software and services, AT&#038;T carrier deal, and iTunes app store.  People are going to love it.

I would love it, but I&#039;m picking another road.  It probably won&#039;t be easy, but that&#039;s the price I&#039;m going to pay for a few more features.  

Maybe the next iPhone after the 3G will have the hardware features I want.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you pick another phone?</p>
<p>How about a phone that:<br />
you can tether to your laptop<br />
record videos<br />
has a focus on the camera<br />
has a zoom on the camera<br />
has a light or flash on the camera<br />
has a second camera on the front of the phone for video conferencing<br />
has an 800 x 480 touch screen (2.5 times the resolution of iPhone)<br />
has a QWERTY keyboard<br />
supports MMS messaging (does the iPhone support this now?)<br />
has voice recording<br />
runs open source software<br />
supports HSUPA<br />
supports HSDPA 7.2 (actually, the iPhone may support this; I&#8217;m not sure)</p>
<p>The iPhone does none of the above.  </p>
<p>The Sony Ericcson Xperia does all of the above and supports almost all of the same features that the iPhone has except for internal storage (however the Xperia supports microSD cards).  I don&#8217;t know about you guys&#8230;actually, I DO know about you guys&#8230;but I&#8217;m going to rock the Xperia.  The only thing I&#8217;m giving up over the iPhone is the internal storage which can be matched (exceeded if I buy multiple cards) via microSD.  </p>
<p>If the iPhone doesn&#8217;t support HSDPA 7.2 (I know it doesn&#8217;t support HSUPA), the Xperia will be able to download data twice as fast as the iPhone.  Uploading data from the Xperia is going to be several times faster than on the iPhone.</p>
<p>I like Apple.  The iPhone is rock solid and you can&#8217;t really go wrong with that device.  I may get one for my wife who is a casual mobile device user.  </p>
<p>But make no mistake.  Apple mobile devices are about software and services.  The iPod is about iTunes and the music store.  Apple wants the iPhone to be about iTunes and the marketplace.  They want to control what goes on your device.  I&#8217;m opposed to that kind of restriction.  </p>
<p>Think about everything open source software is.  Look how almost everyone reading this blog supports open source.  The iPhone 3rd party apps are the exact opposite of the open source software movement.</p>
<p>And I know WinMo has problems.  I&#8217;m in my 3rd year of WinMo usage.  </p>
<p>I think I know what I&#8217;m getting into.  </p>
<p>Look at the iPod hardware.  Today and even back then when the iPods first came out, you could find MP3 hardware that was superior (that is, hardware that had more capability).  However, iPod took the marketshare because, well, Apple is Apple and they had a rebirth; great software and services, thousands of publisher deals, and a slick and simple UI.</p>
<p>History is repeating itself with the iPhone.  Phones are out there that have better hardware capabilities.  Heck, the 3G iPhone lack features that were on phones years ago.  </p>
<p>However, Apple is going to have a winner with it&#8217;s software and services, AT&amp;T carrier deal, and iTunes app store.  People are going to love it.</p>
<p>I would love it, but I&#8217;m picking another road.  It probably won&#8217;t be easy, but that&#8217;s the price I&#8217;m going to pay for a few more features.  </p>
<p>Maybe the next iPhone after the 3G will have the hardware features I want.</p>
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		By: How much would the iPhone 3G cost you on SingTel? &#60; unsolicitedopinion		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33385</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How much would the iPhone 3G cost you on SingTel? &#60; unsolicitedopinion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] most Singaporeans are not ready for Smartphones yet, or perhaps the other way around. Mike Davidson wrote that the recent price drop for the iPhone in the United States would &#8220;split the mobile world [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] most Singaporeans are not ready for Smartphones yet, or perhaps the other way around. Mike Davidson wrote that the recent price drop for the iPhone in the United States would &#8220;split the mobile world [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: John A. Davis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Brendan. I have an HTC Touch with Sprint
$40   1000anytime, unlimited text, data, and phone as a modem
(I only use about 200 minutes a month)

I&#039;ve been with them 13 years.

I wouldn&#039;t buy the touch again. Wish I could get an iPhone on the Sprint plan. wooooo eeeee! That would be suite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Brendan. I have an HTC Touch with Sprint<br />
$40   1000anytime, unlimited text, data, and phone as a modem<br />
(I only use about 200 minutes a month)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been with them 13 years.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t buy the touch again. Wish I could get an iPhone on the Sprint plan. wooooo eeeee! That would be suite.</p>
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		By: Martin		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33335</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After I got a SE K800i a few years ago, I can&#039;t imagine going back to a phone with a &quot;unusable&quot; camera. The day iPhone gets a proper camera (won&#039;t happen in the nearest future), and also letting people run background apps, then I&#039;m on!

While i&#039;ll wait i&#039;m deffinitly going for the new C905 :D
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/17/sony-ericssons-8-1-megapixel-c905-breaks-free/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I got a SE K800i a few years ago, I can&#8217;t imagine going back to a phone with a &#8220;unusable&#8221; camera. The day iPhone gets a proper camera (won&#8217;t happen in the nearest future), and also letting people run background apps, then I&#8217;m on!</p>
<p>While i&#8217;ll wait i&#8217;m deffinitly going for the new C905 :D<br />
<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/17/sony-ericssons-8-1-megapixel-c905-breaks-free/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/17/sony-ericssons-8-1-megapixel-c905-breaks-free/</a></p>
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		By: Apple ÑƒÐ±Ð¸Ð»Ð° Ð¼Ð¾Ð±Ð¸Ð»ÑŒÐ½Ñ‹Ð¹ Ñ€Ñ‹Ð½Ð¾Ðº &#124; alexmak.net		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33334</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Apple ÑƒÐ±Ð¸Ð»Ð° Ð¼Ð¾Ð±Ð¸Ð»ÑŒÐ½Ñ‹Ð¹ Ñ€Ñ‹Ð½Ð¾Ðº &#124; alexmak.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] ÐžÑ‚ÑÑŽÐ´Ð° [...]]]></description>
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		By: Erwin Heiser		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33315</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erwin Heiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, as usual for us Europeans it&#039;s a bit more complicated. Buying an iphone in Belgium without any carrier lock-in will set you back around 500â‚¬ or a bit over 700$.
199? I don&#039;t think so...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, as usual for us Europeans it&#8217;s a bit more complicated. Buying an iphone in Belgium without any carrier lock-in will set you back around 500â‚¬ or a bit over 700$.<br />
199? I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jerry		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have had an iPhone since day 3.  It is the best multifunction device I have ever owned.  It is certainly not the best phone and it doesn&#039;t have the best carrier, but is good enough for my use.  I must say though that the Blackberry Bold is tempting me...if they can match the web browsing capability of the iPhone with the new OS and promised browser refinements.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had an iPhone since day 3.  It is the best multifunction device I have ever owned.  It is certainly not the best phone and it doesn&#8217;t have the best carrier, but is good enough for my use.  I must say though that the Blackberry Bold is tempting me&#8230;if they can match the web browsing capability of the iPhone with the new OS and promised browser refinements.</p>
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		By: Porter		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33287</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll say this much:  as a UI dev, I&#039;ve never had a net-positive reaction to having to deal with another browser for compatibility issues.

But making sites work on the iPhone browser is interesting, and opens up all sorts of considerations that are fun to think through and implement.  

This substantially increases the business case for actively dealing with the iPhone browser for a broader range of sites.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say this much:  as a UI dev, I&#8217;ve never had a net-positive reaction to having to deal with another browser for compatibility issues.</p>
<p>But making sites work on the iPhone browser is interesting, and opens up all sorts of considerations that are fun to think through and implement.  </p>
<p>This substantially increases the business case for actively dealing with the iPhone browser for a broader range of sites.</p>
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		By: The Empire Strikes Back - Fred Brunel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Empire Strikes Back - Fred Brunel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that on top of the data portion being $10 more, SMS is no longer included, so that&#039;s another fee to tack on top.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that on top of the data portion being $10 more, SMS is no longer included, so that&#8217;s another fee to tack on top.</p>
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		By: John Whittet		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2008/06/apple-just-killed-the-market-for-phones#comment-33275</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Whittet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been thinking about this article overnight, and I think you (Mike) would be right if Apple had every major carrier. I think switching carriers is more of a pain than you think, and may not even be a choice for some people, depending on coverage or family plans or businesses or what-have you (as mentioned above).

If I could walk into a Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, or Alltel store and see iPhones on the shelf, your headline would be very true.

I ask this: how many people walk into the phone store with a $200 budget and *don&#039;t* know about the iPhone? (Or how much it costs?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this article overnight, and I think you (Mike) would be right if Apple had every major carrier. I think switching carriers is more of a pain than you think, and may not even be a choice for some people, depending on coverage or family plans or businesses or what-have you (as mentioned above).</p>
<p>If I could walk into a Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, or Alltel store and see iPhones on the shelf, your headline would be very true.</p>
<p>I ask this: how many people walk into the phone store with a $200 budget and *don&#8217;t* know about the iPhone? (Or how much it costs?)</p>
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		By: Beth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting point MyDogBen.]]></description>
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