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		By: Interesting: Newsvine &#187; Webomatica - Technology and Entertainment Digest		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-30586</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Interesting: Newsvine &#187; Webomatica - Technology and Entertainment Digest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] head to create a personal newspaper and I think Newsvine might be the place to do it. They&#8217;ve redesigned many aspects of the site, most notably their front page, which is now customizable with modules, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] head to create a personal newspaper and I think Newsvine might be the place to do it. They&#8217;ve redesigned many aspects of the site, most notably their front page, which is now customizable with modules, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Rex		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay, I&#039;ve got an actual question (and Mike, you might be more qualified than anyone to answer this).... 

Why are these two statements true? 1) When a mainstream media website redesigns, it is unequivocally despised by its audience. [Always.] 2) When a social media website redesigns, it is adored by its audience. [Almost always.]

Someone might try to say &quot;because all media websites suck&quot; and/or &quot;because all social media websites are awesome,&quot; but I don&#039;t think we can possibly believe that&#039;s true. 

Is this because the audiences are different? The expectations? The difficulty? The organization? The goals?

(I ask this as someone who has designed both successful social media sites and very large mainstream media sites. And witnessed this phenomena over and over.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ve got an actual question (and Mike, you might be more qualified than anyone to answer this)&#8230;. </p>
<p>Why are these two statements true? 1) When a mainstream media website redesigns, it is unequivocally despised by its audience. [Always.] 2) When a social media website redesigns, it is adored by its audience. [Almost always.]</p>
<p>Someone might try to say &#8220;because all media websites suck&#8221; and/or &#8220;because all social media websites are awesome,&#8221; but I don&#8217;t think we can possibly believe that&#8217;s true. </p>
<p>Is this because the audiences are different? The expectations? The difficulty? The organization? The goals?</p>
<p>(I ask this as someone who has designed both successful social media sites and very large mainstream media sites. And witnessed this phenomena over and over.)</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[George: There&#039;s nothing that was there before that isn&#039;t still there.  It&#039;s just all more configurable now.  Use what you like, don&#039;t what you don&#039;t... that&#039;s kind of the thought process.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George: There&#8217;s nothing that was there before that isn&#8217;t still there.  It&#8217;s just all more configurable now.  Use what you like, don&#8217;t what you don&#8217;t&#8230; that&#8217;s kind of the thought process.</p>
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		By: George		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your homepage went from what I perceive as very content-focused to &quot;widget&quot;-focused.  The content&#039;s become harder to read because there&#039;s a mixture of lots of different contexts on the same page (wire, weather, pictures, color scales), instead of filters on wire content and user generated content down to the stuff I care about.

Sure, users can customize their page to get down to the subset that they care about.  But I don&#039;t feel I should have to do that to get to the stuff I care about.

Are you guys trying to drag-race the new features and see what people do &amp; don&#039;t use, and trim/add as appropriate?

I don&#039;t want newsvine.com&#039;s home to be another Live/iGoogle/My Yahoo/My MSN...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your homepage went from what I perceive as very content-focused to &#8220;widget&#8221;-focused.  The content&#8217;s become harder to read because there&#8217;s a mixture of lots of different contexts on the same page (wire, weather, pictures, color scales), instead of filters on wire content and user generated content down to the stuff I care about.</p>
<p>Sure, users can customize their page to get down to the subset that they care about.  But I don&#8217;t feel I should have to do that to get to the stuff I care about.</p>
<p>Are you guys trying to drag-race the new features and see what people do &#038; don&#8217;t use, and trim/add as appropriate?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want newsvine.com&#8217;s home to be another Live/iGoogle/My Yahoo/My MSN&#8230;</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15301</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very nice Mike, good job on the new model although you really need some more non american options! :p]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice Mike, good job on the new model although you really need some more non american options! :p</p>
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		By: Jason		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15300</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How did &quot;Zoo&quot; make the top seed?  Aye - I didn&#039;t need to read THAT!    The modules are pretty sweet though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did &#8220;Zoo&#8221; make the top seed?  Aye &#8211; I didn&#8217;t need to read THAT!    The modules are pretty sweet though.</p>
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		By: Christian Watson		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15299</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike - I too would like to know more about your design and development process, especially as as far as usability is concerned.

As far as the new design is concerned, did you already have a pretty clear idea of what you wanted to do, based on months of user feedback?

How did you go about testing the changes? Did you do much lo-fi prototyping? I&#039;d love to know more about how you go about making significant changes to such a big site.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; I too would like to know more about your design and development process, especially as as far as usability is concerned.</p>
<p>As far as the new design is concerned, did you already have a pretty clear idea of what you wanted to do, based on months of user feedback?</p>
<p>How did you go about testing the changes? Did you do much lo-fi prototyping? I&#8217;d love to know more about how you go about making significant changes to such a big site.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think most major media visitors go for one specific reason ... not just to spend some time.  Exactly the opposite is true for social sites.  So if I just want one thing and you move it ... well, it&#039;s frustrating.  If I was going to hang out a while, no big deal if I have to test out a few other things on the way to what I wanted.  That is my take.  Great question and is worthy of a post Mike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most major media visitors go for one specific reason &#8230; not just to spend some time.  Exactly the opposite is true for social sites.  So if I just want one thing and you move it &#8230; well, it&#8217;s frustrating.  If I was going to hang out a while, no big deal if I have to test out a few other things on the way to what I wanted.  That is my take.  Great question and is worthy of a post Mike.</p>
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		By: Sarah		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15297</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, congratulations, this is a fabulous accomplishment. The new design really tells a clearer and more complete story about what Newsvine is and how it can be used. The Newsvine LIVE module is my favorite feature. The animation on the bump is a nice touch. I love this. It kinda makes me want to start reading news again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, congratulations, this is a fabulous accomplishment. The new design really tells a clearer and more complete story about what Newsvine is and how it can be used. The Newsvine LIVE module is my favorite feature. The animation on the bump is a nice touch. I love this. It kinda makes me want to start reading news again.</p>
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		By: Denise		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15296</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No matter what you end up calling it, it still looks fantastic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what you end up calling it, it still looks fantastic.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15295</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is a great question, Rex.  Probably worthy of turning into a post.  Here are my initial bullets (and I totally agree with you) --

1.  The audiences of many mainstream media sites are there almost automatically and not so much out of choice.  A lot of people who go to ESPN.com go there because they watch ESPN TV.  A lot of people go to MSN because their browser hardcoded it as their start page.  Visitors to social media sites are there because they&#039;ve expressly decided to be there.  They already like it a lot.

2.  Sites run by smaller companies may be more in touch with their audiences than sites run by larger companies.  I&#039;m the CEO of Newsvine and every time someone does so much as report a spacing bug on our site, I know about it automatically, via automated email.  When all of these user emails seep into your collective unconscious over the course of months, you already know your marching orders come redesign time.

3.  Bigger companies often *can&#039;t* do all they want to do with their sites for political, technological, and other reasons.  They are launching with the knowledge internally that only it weren&#039;t for legacy systems, they would be free to do a lot more.

4.  Users of social media sites are just a lot more tolerant to change... that&#039;s why they are there in the first place.

On the bright side, I can say that at least during my time at ESPN, the bad feelings from users usually subsided after a few weeks after users got comfortable and realized all that had been improved.  That said, I am pleasantly surprised and shocked that seemingly 99% of the comments on &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.newsvine.com/_news/2007/04/24/680824-newsvine-relaunches-announcing-evergreen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;our announcement thread&lt;/a&gt; are quite positive so far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a great question, Rex.  Probably worthy of turning into a post.  Here are my initial bullets (and I totally agree with you) &#8212;</p>
<p>1.  The audiences of many mainstream media sites are there almost automatically and not so much out of choice.  A lot of people who go to ESPN.com go there because they watch ESPN TV.  A lot of people go to MSN because their browser hardcoded it as their start page.  Visitors to social media sites are there because they&#8217;ve expressly decided to be there.  They already like it a lot.</p>
<p>2.  Sites run by smaller companies may be more in touch with their audiences than sites run by larger companies.  I&#8217;m the CEO of Newsvine and every time someone does so much as report a spacing bug on our site, I know about it automatically, via automated email.  When all of these user emails seep into your collective unconscious over the course of months, you already know your marching orders come redesign time.</p>
<p>3.  Bigger companies often *can&#8217;t* do all they want to do with their sites for political, technological, and other reasons.  They are launching with the knowledge internally that only it weren&#8217;t for legacy systems, they would be free to do a lot more.</p>
<p>4.  Users of social media sites are just a lot more tolerant to change&#8230; that&#8217;s why they are there in the first place.</p>
<p>On the bright side, I can say that at least during my time at ESPN, the bad feelings from users usually subsided after a few weeks after users got comfortable and realized all that had been improved.  That said, I am pleasantly surprised and shocked that seemingly 99% of the comments on <a href="http://blog.newsvine.com/_news/2007/04/24/680824-newsvine-relaunches-announcing-evergreen" rel="nofollow">our announcement thread</a> are quite positive so far.</p>
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		By: Alexander Micek		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15294</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexander Micek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As the owner of a wide monitor, I really dig the four column presentation.  Newsvine LIVE looks AWESOME scrolling away on the right side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the owner of a wide monitor, I really dig the four column presentation.  Newsvine LIVE looks AWESOME scrolling away on the right side.</p>
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		By: Sean S		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15282</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Awesome, awesome, awesome! This is exactly what Newsvine needed! Very nice job, Mike (and team).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome, awesome, awesome! This is exactly what Newsvine needed! Very nice job, Mike (and team).</p>
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		By: gb		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15292</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The weather module thinks I&#039;m in Seattle... I&#039;m going to take that as a sign that I need to get my ass up there.

I need to re-introduce regular newsvining into my life (kind of slacked off after it nearly got me fired last year) and this is a good catalyst.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weather module thinks I&#8217;m in Seattle&#8230; I&#8217;m going to take that as a sign that I need to get my ass up there.</p>
<p>I need to re-introduce regular newsvining into my life (kind of slacked off after it nearly got me fired last year) and this is a good catalyst.</p>
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		By: Dave Metcalf		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/04/newsvine-relaunches#comment-15291</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Metcalf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The new design looks great! I am already finding it more readable for the way I like to check out news, especially the expanded layout.
And the Kelvin idea is hilarious!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new design looks great! I am already finding it more readable for the way I like to check out news, especially the expanded layout.<br />
And the Kelvin idea is hilarious!</p>
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