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		By: Selma&#38;Louis &#187; Seattle		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-30804</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Selma&#38;Louis &#187; Seattle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] towards the hotel, and picked up a pizza at Pagliacci, a pizza place recommended by one of Selmas favorite bloggers. Back at the hotel room we enjoyed the pizza, watched a bit of Greys Anatomy (it&#8217;s taking [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] towards the hotel, and picked up a pizza at Pagliacci, a pizza place recommended by one of Selmas favorite bloggers. Back at the hotel room we enjoyed the pizza, watched a bit of Greys Anatomy (it&#8217;s taking [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: John B		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-14714</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of my first motorcycle trip up to British Columbia in &#039;04. We stopped at a restaurant to get out of the rain and get some coffee. I pulled out a paper $1CAN and the girl at the cashier freaked out. She asked if I had any more. I didn&#039;t. I also had no idea that they were so rare, since being replaced by coins. Ironically, I thought $1 coins were rare. ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of my first motorcycle trip up to British Columbia in &#8217;04. We stopped at a restaurant to get out of the rain and get some coffee. I pulled out a paper $1CAN and the girl at the cashier freaked out. She asked if I had any more. I didn&#8217;t. I also had no idea that they were so rare, since being replaced by coins. Ironically, I thought $1 coins were rare. ;)</p>
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		By: Jim Lovell		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-14723</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Lovell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How many times does a one dollar bill change hands in it&#039;s life time?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times does a one dollar bill change hands in it&#8217;s life time?<br />
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		By: dale tan		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-14722</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know how you feel about finding old bills. And like you said, I keep mine out of my wallet/pocket. I also have an old 5 and 10...waiting for those old 50s and hundos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know how you feel about finding old bills. And like you said, I keep mine out of my wallet/pocket. I also have an old 5 and 10&#8230;waiting for those old 50s and hundos.</p>
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		By: ManxStef		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-14721</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US20-front.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an image of the new 20 dollar bill&lt;/a&gt; for comparison.  I must admit that the old one has more style, the portrait in particular is far superior.

This post reminded me of something I linked to recently: a
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.e-cr.co.uk/crblog/the-money-maker/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fascinating interview on banknote design&lt;/a&gt; with Ootje Oxenaar, a Dutch graphic designer. His designs are beautiful and I love the way he managed to sneak some personal touches into the notes, such as a fingerprint and his name.

After working in a printshop and designing several gift certificates with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GuillochÃ©&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;guillochÃ©&lt;/a&gt; patterns on it made me see banknotes in a whole new light, I find their design quite intriguing.

Speaking of which, something that really struck me as poor design is the size of all the US notes: they&#039;re all the same!  From a usability &amp; accessibility aspect that&#039;s got to be confusing -- I can imagine it being a huge problem if you&#039;re visually impaired, for instance -- and it may also make forgeries easier if you can bleach the ink off a lower value bill and reprint a higher denomination, thereby avoiding the difficult task of finding the correct paper. (This assumes the rag is the same for all notes, though.)

One more tangent: have you ever noticed seemingly randomly-placed circular patterns on many notes, such as the new 20USD?  It&#039;s called the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EURion constellation&lt;/a&gt; and causes photocopiers and suchlike to refuse, or distort, copies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US20-front.jpg" rel="nofollow">an image of the new 20 dollar bill</a> for comparison.  I must admit that the old one has more style, the portrait in particular is far superior.</p>
<p>This post reminded me of something I linked to recently: a<br />
<a href="http://www.e-cr.co.uk/crblog/the-money-maker/" rel="nofollow">fascinating interview on banknote design</a> with Ootje Oxenaar, a Dutch graphic designer. His designs are beautiful and I love the way he managed to sneak some personal touches into the notes, such as a fingerprint and his name.</p>
<p>After working in a printshop and designing several gift certificates with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GuillochÃ©" rel="nofollow">guillochÃ©</a> patterns on it made me see banknotes in a whole new light, I find their design quite intriguing.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, something that really struck me as poor design is the size of all the US notes: they&#8217;re all the same!  From a usability &#038; accessibility aspect that&#8217;s got to be confusing &#8212; I can imagine it being a huge problem if you&#8217;re visually impaired, for instance &#8212; and it may also make forgeries easier if you can bleach the ink off a lower value bill and reprint a higher denomination, thereby avoiding the difficult task of finding the correct paper. (This assumes the rag is the same for all notes, though.)</p>
<p>One more tangent: have you ever noticed seemingly randomly-placed circular patterns on many notes, such as the new 20USD?  It&#8217;s called the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation" rel="nofollow">EURion constellation</a> and causes photocopiers and suchlike to refuse, or distort, copies.</p>
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		By: Brian Flanagan		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-14720</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been living in Ireland for about half a year now, and I still have mixed feelings about the Euro (which doesn&#039;t have notes below 5euro). In the states, a single dollar, while not something to be cherished, still felt like a real chunk of money. Having 1euro coin doesn&#039;t really do that for me. It feels so insignificant. But it&#039;s actually worth more!

I don&#039;t know whether this is my own problem--that I&#039;m used to coins being worthless--or a problem implicit in the system. Either way, it troubles me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been living in Ireland for about half a year now, and I still have mixed feelings about the Euro (which doesn&#8217;t have notes below 5euro). In the states, a single dollar, while not something to be cherished, still felt like a real chunk of money. Having 1euro coin doesn&#8217;t really do that for me. It feels so insignificant. But it&#8217;s actually worth more!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether this is my own problem&#8211;that I&#8217;m used to coins being worthless&#8211;or a problem implicit in the system. Either way, it troubles me.</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-14719</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FIXED LINK and added another

&lt;a href=&quot;http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1999/Articles0999/JBoggsA.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1999/Articles0999/JBoggsA.html&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pennylicious.com/2006/08/22/jsg-boggs-art-money/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pennylicious.com/2006/08/22/jsg-boggs-art-money/&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FIXED LINK and added another</p>
<p><a href="http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1999/Articles0999/JBoggsA.html" rel="nofollow">http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1999/Articles0999/JBoggsA.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.pennylicious.com/2006/08/22/jsg-boggs-art-money/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pennylicious.com/2006/08/22/jsg-boggs-art-money/</a></p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-14718</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Worth checking out:

JSG Boggs is an artist that draws currency.  He doesn&#039;t sell his drawings.... he spends them!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1999/Articles0999/JBoggsA.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1999/Articles0999/JBoggsA.html&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth checking out:</p>
<p>JSG Boggs is an artist that draws currency.  He doesn&#8217;t sell his drawings&#8230;. he spends them!</p>
<p><a href="http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1999/Articles0999/JBoggsA.html" rel="nofollow">http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1999/Articles0999/JBoggsA.html</a></p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-14717</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chris: Weird.  I had a similar experience with Coinstar a couple of months ago where I basically shoved about a hundred bucks worth of spare change into the machine and after 5 minutes of sorting it, one dime came out.  I put the dime back in... same result.  Repeated four times before I realized it was a silver dime.  Crazy that they can detect that (and that they wouldn&#039;t accept it!).

Eric: Yes, but at least with the old twenty, Jackson&#039;s hungover mug is much smaller. If you look at the rest of the design touches on the two bills, the old is clearly more artfully done.  That said, I&#039;m all for putting MLK on the thing and reprinting.

ian: My god, that is probably the saddest story I&#039;ve ever heard. Holy *crap* that&#039;s sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: Weird.  I had a similar experience with Coinstar a couple of months ago where I basically shoved about a hundred bucks worth of spare change into the machine and after 5 minutes of sorting it, one dime came out.  I put the dime back in&#8230; same result.  Repeated four times before I realized it was a silver dime.  Crazy that they can detect that (and that they wouldn&#8217;t accept it!).</p>
<p>Eric: Yes, but at least with the old twenty, Jackson&#8217;s hungover mug is much smaller. If you look at the rest of the design touches on the two bills, the old is clearly more artfully done.  That said, I&#8217;m all for putting MLK on the thing and reprinting.</p>
<p>ian: My god, that is probably the saddest story I&#8217;ve ever heard. Holy *crap* that&#8217;s sad.</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#comment-14716</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[True, John. On my first trip to Canada, denominations smaller than $5 were in coins. I had $1 coins and $2 coins and I was like, &quot;who the hell decided that a $2 coin was useful?&quot; After spending two weeks with our friendly neighbors to the north, I learned that using dollar coins actually worked out. I had no idea the Canadians even had paper $1s.

To bad the dollar coin has never really &quot;taken&quot; with Americans.

And to Mikey D., yeah, the old money is way better than the new skid marks the mint is producing these days. However, whenever I come into possession of an old bill, I generally end up spending it even though I fathom I&#039;ll hold on to it for its aesthetic and historical value.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, John. On my first trip to Canada, denominations smaller than $5 were in coins. I had $1 coins and $2 coins and I was like, &#8220;who the hell decided that a $2 coin was useful?&#8221; After spending two weeks with our friendly neighbors to the north, I learned that using dollar coins actually worked out. I had no idea the Canadians even had paper $1s.</p>
<p>To bad the dollar coin has never really &#8220;taken&#8221; with Americans.</p>
<p>And to Mikey D., yeah, the old money is way better than the new skid marks the mint is producing these days. However, whenever I come into possession of an old bill, I generally end up spending it even though I fathom I&#8217;ll hold on to it for its aesthetic and historical value.</p>
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		By: ian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am 28 at present but when I was 16 years old I had a friend in high school that had a mother who worked nights. One weekend after watching movies we determined that we needed to go and purchase snack food, but we had no money. I knew I had to collect money form a paper route that week, so I assured my friend that any money we found in the house could be replaced and there would be no issue.

We dug and shuffled around until discovering a crisp, but oddly colored 20 dollar bill in a box. Thinking nothing of it after determining it was in fact a real twenty; we went to the grocery store and purchased (I  remember vividly because the list seems so inane to me now) a box of Fruity Pebbles, cinnamon rolls, and a two-liter bottle of Pepsi. Hell, we even came out with lots of change. No sweat!

I would come to find out that his mother spent the remainder of the weekend sobbing after discovering we had spent the last gift her older brother had given her before leaving and consequently not returning from a tour of duty in Vietnam. Not only had we spent a 1968 20 dollar bill, but a treasured keepsake on total rubbish.

To this day, I always look closely at my 20 dollar bills and after reading this story I have renewed hope that the bill we spent is still floating in circulation, since I believe old bills are generally possessed by banks and destroyed by the Dept of Treasury.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 28 at present but when I was 16 years old I had a friend in high school that had a mother who worked nights. One weekend after watching movies we determined that we needed to go and purchase snack food, but we had no money. I knew I had to collect money form a paper route that week, so I assured my friend that any money we found in the house could be replaced and there would be no issue.</p>
<p>We dug and shuffled around until discovering a crisp, but oddly colored 20 dollar bill in a box. Thinking nothing of it after determining it was in fact a real twenty; we went to the grocery store and purchased (I  remember vividly because the list seems so inane to me now) a box of Fruity Pebbles, cinnamon rolls, and a two-liter bottle of Pepsi. Hell, we even came out with lots of change. No sweat!</p>
<p>I would come to find out that his mother spent the remainder of the weekend sobbing after discovering we had spent the last gift her older brother had given her before leaving and consequently not returning from a tour of duty in Vietnam. Not only had we spent a 1968 20 dollar bill, but a treasured keepsake on total rubbish.</p>
<p>To this day, I always look closely at my 20 dollar bills and after reading this story I have renewed hope that the bill we spent is still floating in circulation, since I believe old bills are generally possessed by banks and destroyed by the Dept of Treasury.</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wheresgeorge.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Where&#039;s George&lt;/a&gt;, the US currency tracking project.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a href="http://www.wheresgeorge.com/" rel="nofollow">Where&#8217;s George</a>, the US currency tracking project.</p>
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		By: Whyren		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[If it helps any, I felt about the same way upon spending a $20 silver certificate bill some time ago.  Oh why, oh why didn&#039;t I have any more poorly designed contemporary bills on hand?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it helps any, I felt about the same way upon spending a $20 silver certificate bill some time ago.  Oh why, oh why didn&#8217;t I have any more poorly designed contemporary bills on hand?</p>
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		By: Alan H.		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would agree 100% with the design, but the production amazes me.  There was a documentary on tv {sorry - forget where} a few months back showing the plates being cut by hand.  They work in a small team, as security prohibits one person responsible for drawing the design.  Everything is etched by hand in reverse!  All lettering is also done by hand -- in reverse.  I think they said it takes six months to complete one side.  Maybe that&#039;s just job security.

Challenge:  I think Mike readers should design a twenty all web2.0&#039;d-out.  

&lt;strong&gt;The gauntlet has been thrown!  Show us Currency 2.0&lt;/strong&gt;
Starting with a name: &quot;curr.nc&quot; ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree 100% with the design, but the production amazes me.  There was a documentary on tv {sorry &#8211; forget where} a few months back showing the plates being cut by hand.  They work in a small team, as security prohibits one person responsible for drawing the design.  Everything is etched by hand in reverse!  All lettering is also done by hand &#8212; in reverse.  I think they said it takes six months to complete one side.  Maybe that&#8217;s just job security.</p>
<p>Challenge:  I think Mike readers should design a twenty all web2.0&#8217;d-out.  </p>
<p><strong>The gauntlet has been thrown!  Show us Currency 2.0</strong><br />
Starting with a name: &#8220;curr.nc&#8221; ?</p>
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		By: Eric Meyer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with you, &lt;a href=&quot;https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#15650&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scott&lt;/a&gt;.  Plus I put the ones and five in the forward of my two bill pockets, and the tens and twenties in the rearward pocket.

I have to disagree with you about the superiority of the old $20 to the current $20, Mike.  Given both feature Andrew Jackson looking like he&#039;s coming off a four-day bender, the difference in design is kind of a question of how the deck chairs are arranged on the &lt;i&gt;Andrea Doria&lt;/i&gt;.  Either way, Jackson&#039;s visage is still going to do a &lt;i&gt;Stockholm&lt;/i&gt; on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, <a href="https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/03/the-old-twenty#15650" rel="nofollow">Scott</a>.  Plus I put the ones and five in the forward of my two bill pockets, and the tens and twenties in the rearward pocket.</p>
<p>I have to disagree with you about the superiority of the old $20 to the current $20, Mike.  Given both feature Andrew Jackson looking like he&#8217;s coming off a four-day bender, the difference in design is kind of a question of how the deck chairs are arranged on the <i>Andrea Doria</i>.  Either way, Jackson&#8217;s visage is still going to do a <i>Stockholm</i> on it.</p>
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