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		By: Joan		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-798388</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 02:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It really is not any of the passengers fault...(  though , I am considerate of people around me ) It is the airline&#039;s fault and those that design the planes knowing full well that it is horrible to the person behind the seat that is laid out as far as it will go .  Mr. Airline, you will not always have the pandemic or gas prices and availability or even rowdy passengers to use as an excuse . Fix it .  Get creative , Think outside the box . Do something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is not any of the passengers fault&#8230;(  though , I am considerate of people around me ) It is the airline&#8217;s fault and those that design the planes knowing full well that it is horrible to the person behind the seat that is laid out as far as it will go .  Mr. Airline, you will not always have the pandemic or gas prices and availability or even rowdy passengers to use as an excuse . Fix it .  Get creative , Think outside the box . Do something.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-88844</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just because I rarely recline does not mean that I agree that others should not.  I am over 6 feet tall and I have NEVER been bothered by reclining by another in front of me even when eating or using a computer/pad.  Anyone who can&#039;t tolerate reclining should: 1. Purchase premium economy, Business or First; 2. Drive, take a train, bus or ship.  Flying today is not usually enjoyable.  Live with it or don&#039;t fly.  I am afraid that we have too many self centered people who really think that they are the only people who matter.  The burden should not be on the person who uses the airline installed recline feature to justify the use.  If you can&#039;t stand it, YOU should take appropriate and lawful action.  And don&#039;t buy a &quot;Seat Defender&quot; if you plan on flying on United.  It has banned its use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because I rarely recline does not mean that I agree that others should not.  I am over 6 feet tall and I have NEVER been bothered by reclining by another in front of me even when eating or using a computer/pad.  Anyone who can&#8217;t tolerate reclining should: 1. Purchase premium economy, Business or First; 2. Drive, take a train, bus or ship.  Flying today is not usually enjoyable.  Live with it or don&#8217;t fly.  I am afraid that we have too many self centered people who really think that they are the only people who matter.  The burden should not be on the person who uses the airline installed recline feature to justify the use.  If you can&#8217;t stand it, YOU should take appropriate and lawful action.  And don&#8217;t buy a &#8220;Seat Defender&#8221; if you plan on flying on United.  It has banned its use.</p>
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		By: Jean		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85544</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr Pony Trekker:  When even those who agree with you on principle find you unbearable, perhaps it&#039;s time for a little self-examination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Pony Trekker:  When even those who agree with you on principle find you unbearable, perhaps it&#8217;s time for a little self-examination.</p>
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		By: Jean		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85543</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So to sum up, we have adults who threaten to intentionally cough on people, fart, sneeze, kick seatbacks, direct fans to cause discomfort and even &quot;eff them up&quot; all because a stranger reclined an airline seat. These same adults are apparently very concerned about manners, consideration, thoughfulness, and courtesy in others. I think anyone with a modicum of common sense must now feel exhausted. The best remedy for exhaustion is sleep. The conventional position for sleep is reclined.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So to sum up, we have adults who threaten to intentionally cough on people, fart, sneeze, kick seatbacks, direct fans to cause discomfort and even &#8220;eff them up&#8221; all because a stranger reclined an airline seat. These same adults are apparently very concerned about manners, consideration, thoughfulness, and courtesy in others. I think anyone with a modicum of common sense must now feel exhausted. The best remedy for exhaustion is sleep. The conventional position for sleep is reclined.</p>
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		By: Other examples		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85526</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Other examples]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;&#062;It is not inconsiderate to use an item in the way it was marketed and designed.

What was an air horn marketed and designed for?  So it isn&#039;t rude to use an air horn in doors then?  Outdoors near someone&#039;s ear.  

What was a cowbell, whistle, etc. marketed and designed for.  

This is a stupid justification for rude behavior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;It is not inconsiderate to use an item in the way it was marketed and designed.</p>
<p>What was an air horn marketed and designed for?  So it isn&#8217;t rude to use an air horn in doors then?  Outdoors near someone&#8217;s ear.  </p>
<p>What was a cowbell, whistle, etc. marketed and designed for.  </p>
<p>This is a stupid justification for rude behavior.</p>
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		By: Jean		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85523</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 02:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But if they jump into my space I will eff them up.&quot;

Very nice. I&#039;m sure your mother would be so proud.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if they jump into my space I will eff them up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very nice. I&#8217;m sure your mother would be so proud.</p>
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		By: Pony Trekker		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85522</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pony Trekker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 02:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Work on your reading comprehension skills  I am the guy who DOESN&#039;T recline because it crowds the people behind me.  But if they jump into my space I will eff them up.  

One guy put his seat so close to me I almost nutted in his face.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Work on your reading comprehension skills  I am the guy who DOESN&#8217;T recline because it crowds the people behind me.  But if they jump into my space I will eff them up.  </p>
<p>One guy put his seat so close to me I almost nutted in his face.</p>
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		By: Doug		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85516</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the end, that&#039;s the essence of the problem. Each side is vurnerable to the same criticism that they have leveled at the other side.  If you find it personally more comfortable to have extra knee room, then you&#039;re mad at recliners, and consider them self-centered and rude for infriging on your space.  If you find it more comfortable to recline a few more degrees, then you&#039;re mad at the thoughtless person who is rude enough to try to impose their own needs and preferences on a stranger.  The truth is that everyone who has engaged in the argument (myself included) should probably be just a little embarrassed. As adults, we should all have more important things to be concerned about than seatback positions in airline cabins. Here&#039;s my resolution: &quot;Recline if you want, or don&#039;t, I really don&#039;t care.&quot;  For anyone I gave a hard time on the subject, I hereby apologize. We should be just a little more gentle with one another in this world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end, that&#8217;s the essence of the problem. Each side is vurnerable to the same criticism that they have leveled at the other side.  If you find it personally more comfortable to have extra knee room, then you&#8217;re mad at recliners, and consider them self-centered and rude for infriging on your space.  If you find it more comfortable to recline a few more degrees, then you&#8217;re mad at the thoughtless person who is rude enough to try to impose their own needs and preferences on a stranger.  The truth is that everyone who has engaged in the argument (myself included) should probably be just a little embarrassed. As adults, we should all have more important things to be concerned about than seatback positions in airline cabins. Here&#8217;s my resolution: &#8220;Recline if you want, or don&#8217;t, I really don&#8217;t care.&#8221;  For anyone I gave a hard time on the subject, I hereby apologize. We should be just a little more gentle with one another in this world.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85515</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pony Trekker: You represent the worst of what this country has to offer... people who don&#039;t care about anyone but themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pony Trekker: You represent the worst of what this country has to offer&#8230; people who don&#8217;t care about anyone but themselves.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85504</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tara,

Again we seem to need to go over the obvious.

It is not inconsiderate to use an item in the way it was marketed and designed. Also a person reclining is not intruding on another&#039;s space. They are useimg the space and options provided by the airline. That being said I am not an oaf. If my reclining will cause another great distress I will modify my behavior.

But please understand, I am doing you a kindness, as I am changing my legal and proper behavior to help you have a more enjoyable flight. You do not get to irritate me in any manner that a steward or stewardess will not allow. If you are a jerk or disruptive, I hope they restrain you from attacking my seat or causing a scene.

Do not fault or be a child when you choose to put yourself in a situation that by its nature and design can be uncomfortable to the tall, busy, child carrying public.

If people are polite on both sides we all will get along. But try to keep me from using my seat as designed or try to be an ass with your behavior trust me, the problems and Karma will be yours.

Don]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara,</p>
<p>Again we seem to need to go over the obvious.</p>
<p>It is not inconsiderate to use an item in the way it was marketed and designed. Also a person reclining is not intruding on another&#8217;s space. They are useimg the space and options provided by the airline. That being said I am not an oaf. If my reclining will cause another great distress I will modify my behavior.</p>
<p>But please understand, I am doing you a kindness, as I am changing my legal and proper behavior to help you have a more enjoyable flight. You do not get to irritate me in any manner that a steward or stewardess will not allow. If you are a jerk or disruptive, I hope they restrain you from attacking my seat or causing a scene.</p>
<p>Do not fault or be a child when you choose to put yourself in a situation that by its nature and design can be uncomfortable to the tall, busy, child carrying public.</p>
<p>If people are polite on both sides we all will get along. But try to keep me from using my seat as designed or try to be an ass with your behavior trust me, the problems and Karma will be yours.</p>
<p>Don</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85502</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[a, american trash - lots of it these days]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a, american trash &#8211; lots of it these days</p>
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		By: Pony Trekker		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85501</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pony Trekker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes @ Jeff.  I paid for the right to put my knees wherever I want so when they are in the small of your back -- well that&#039;s your problem.  Accept some personal responsibility for your back ache.  

I also paid for the right to use the air nozzle, so when you feel it blowing on your chrome dome, that&#039;s your problem.  I also paid for the right to fart, cough and and sneeze wherever I please so those droplets -- consider them symbols of my man love for you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes @ Jeff.  I paid for the right to put my knees wherever I want so when they are in the small of your back &#8212; well that&#8217;s your problem.  Accept some personal responsibility for your back ache.  </p>
<p>I also paid for the right to use the air nozzle, so when you feel it blowing on your chrome dome, that&#8217;s your problem.  I also paid for the right to fart, cough and and sneeze wherever I please so those droplets &#8212; consider them symbols of my man love for you.</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-85500</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Me suffering, by not using what I have indeed knowingly and in advance contracted with the airline to use (a reclining seat) and planned to use, just so that someone else, who also knew in advance what THEY were getting into doesn’t have to suffer, is not classified as “common courtesy”. Personal responsibility is a fading concept I’m afraid; everything is everyone else’s fault. &quot;Period&quot;? ahahahaha.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me suffering, by not using what I have indeed knowingly and in advance contracted with the airline to use (a reclining seat) and planned to use, just so that someone else, who also knew in advance what THEY were getting into doesn’t have to suffer, is not classified as “common courtesy”. Personal responsibility is a fading concept I’m afraid; everything is everyone else’s fault. &#8220;Period&#8221;? ahahahaha.</p>
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		By: Tara		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-81267</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is inconsiderate to recline without considering the people in back of you. Simply insisting on your consumer&#039;s right to recline without considering that the reclining chairs were probably installed when the airlines provided more legroom... is a symptom of our grossly entitled society. You have a right to your seat, not the space behind you. And obviously, since you&#039;re also in coach, you did not pay for COMFORT. The people behind you paid for safety and space to breathe, same as you did. By unthinkingly reclining into their breathing space you compromise the value of their seat and, if they are tall enough, pose a physical danger. Period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is inconsiderate to recline without considering the people in back of you. Simply insisting on your consumer&#8217;s right to recline without considering that the reclining chairs were probably installed when the airlines provided more legroom&#8230; is a symptom of our grossly entitled society. You have a right to your seat, not the space behind you. And obviously, since you&#8217;re also in coach, you did not pay for COMFORT. The people behind you paid for safety and space to breathe, same as you did. By unthinkingly reclining into their breathing space you compromise the value of their seat and, if they are tall enough, pose a physical danger. Period.</p>
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		By: Jean		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/09/airplane-seat-etiquette#comment-80058</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 05:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems to me Michael that you are not reading the posts from your own site.  If you are concerned about thoughtfulness and consideration then a simple scan of the conduct described in the posts above will confirm to you that the behavior of those who oppose reclining has often degenerated to a shocking and inexcusable level of vindictive childishness, all apparently in punishment for the crime of reclining a seat that the airline designed to recline. It is amusing to me that someone who has admitted to deliberately and repeatedly kicking a strangers reclined seatback in an airline cabin can then go on to complain about a lack consideration and courtesy in others. If you preach the gospel of consideration and courtesy, you had better not be acting like an obnoxious spoiled brat when the world doesn&#039;t conform to your personal expectations.  In our household, that is a bare minimum expectation of everyone over the age of six. If a seven year old can manage to maintain appropriate behavior, then it is sort of odd when a middle aged adult who claims to be preoccupied with concern for the feelings of others falls short.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me Michael that you are not reading the posts from your own site.  If you are concerned about thoughtfulness and consideration then a simple scan of the conduct described in the posts above will confirm to you that the behavior of those who oppose reclining has often degenerated to a shocking and inexcusable level of vindictive childishness, all apparently in punishment for the crime of reclining a seat that the airline designed to recline. It is amusing to me that someone who has admitted to deliberately and repeatedly kicking a strangers reclined seatback in an airline cabin can then go on to complain about a lack consideration and courtesy in others. If you preach the gospel of consideration and courtesy, you had better not be acting like an obnoxious spoiled brat when the world doesn&#8217;t conform to your personal expectations.  In our household, that is a bare minimum expectation of everyone over the age of six. If a seven year old can manage to maintain appropriate behavior, then it is sort of odd when a middle aged adult who claims to be preoccupied with concern for the feelings of others falls short.</p>
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