Comments on: Lessons From The Roundabout SEO Test https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test A running commentary of occasionally interesting things — from Mike Davidson. Thu, 26 May 2016 06:34:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: Shane https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-75168 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:16:16 +0000 #comment-75168 fyi – years later Mike Portney has added the html tag to his site. lol maybe he read your blog post. :) this is an old post but still thought it was a good one and I think I may have learned something about SEO.. like, how irrational it is. :)

]]> By: Donna https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-41690 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:14:27 +0000 #comment-41690 I just ran across this. lol. I don’t think I’d ever be able to rank for my own first name. Sigh.

]]> By: Paul https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-34032 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:41:19 +0000 #comment-34032 excellent article.. very interesting reading. has given me a few new ideas on how to tart things up a little more too! thanks Mike.. one thing I always wonder though (and I guess would be prevailent on a test like this to some degree) how long does it take google to find / update your site or directories and start netting you results for such a test?

thanks & all the best!

Paul

]]> By: Joshua Unseth https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-32899 Wed, 07 May 2008 17:22:43 +0000 #comment-32899 Great Post Mike. It was really helpful. Seems like a lot of work though. One thing you didn’t address: how long did it take for google to index or not index the sites? I’ve had posts that google indexes within hours of posting them, and I’ve had others that take weeks.

]]> By: natesees.com | The rants and ramblings of Nate Sees » Blog Archive » SEO Test https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-31778 Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:14:06 +0000 #comment-31778 […] I’ll be checking the ranking of a made-up word on each of those seach engines to see how they rank the test pages. If you’ve actually read this far, you will probably be interested in a fantastic test by Mike Davidson on Google’s ranking results. […]

]]> By: Michael McCorry https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10017 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10017 And there you go. You’ve just added four more “mike”s to your homepage (and 25 more on this page). You’ll be numero uno in no time :)

]]> By: Mike D. https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10018 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10018 Sean: This was one of those posts that took about three months to complete… little by very little, as I had a few minutes here and there. This is also one of the myriad reasons (I suspect) why I don’t have a girlfriend.

]]> By: Christopher Hawkins https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10019 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10019 Very interesting, Mike!

It seems that you’ve not only demystified a bit of SEO and Google-fu, you’ve also made a case for standards-based development, which I recently questioned out of frustration.

Great post!

]]> By: Mike D. https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10020 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10020 Sean: Oh, I forgot to answer your second question. Well, it wouldn’t be lying to mention during your web standards pitch that it does indeed help SEO. It’s just that it doesn’t help “that much” (that is the part you either keep in your head or mumble under your breath as you cough and ask for water).

The truth is that web standards help in all sorts of little ways. They help SEO a bit, they help in accessibility a bit, they help in maintenance a bit… and so on and so forth. They just don’t turn water into wine overnight as some people would have you believe. Developing with web standards is the right thing to do for many, many reasons… it’s just important to manage expectations around them.

]]> By: Sean Madden https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10021 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10021 Mike…oh Mike {shakes head}

You are up at all hours of the day tracking Newsvine and still you have the capacity to write the most engaging post centered around ego-surfing EVER.

Strong work my friend, strong work. However, you may have single-handedly brought back the era of the table-based designer by dismissing web standards as a tool in SEO. Damn you! You know marketing people couldn’t care less about professionalism. They want results baby! If tables become hot again, I will blame you entirely.

]]> By: Don https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10023 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10023 Nice Work Mike as usual. My sidekick over at http://htmlfixit.com wrote a blurb a while back on how to optimize based on some findings we had kept track of. We were perhaps less “scientificish” in our findings (you may soon be number one for that term as well and you will then know if things included in comments help …) here: http://htmlfixit.com/tutes/tutorial_How_to_improve_your_search_engine_rankings.php

I am going to go back and read what he wrote and perhaps consider a cross reference.

]]> By: Mike D. https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10024 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10024 Sean M.: Was there really any question that table-based design is back? Load that baby over a slow connection for the full-effect.

The new game in town is how complicated – nay, sophisticated – you can make your grid. If I’m not seeing at least “colspan=15” up in there, I’m not coming back.

]]> By: Bradley https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10026 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10026 If you think DeWine’s site is bad, just check out Ohio.gov. More “sections” of links than I think I have ever seen (like 6). Not to mention rollovers and drop-down menus. This is the state of the art in Ohio… I’m ashamed of my state.

I just met a guy at an agency close to me, whom I have e-mailed back and forth before. After a good conversation, and a “maybe we’ll work together sometime,” I mentioned coding with tables. He interjected, “I don’t care about code, I just want to fulfill my clients’ needs.”

I understand the “technology agnostic” standpoint. I think it’s a good business perspective in a lot of ways. But when it comes to SEO, wow! It baffles me how the search engines look at code, but people don’t care about writing good code, nor do they care about how their content is placed within the code. Big. Fat. Duh.

We need more case studies like yours, Mike, to start pointing people the right direction. On the other hand, if everyone became a believer, there would be less to differentiate the elite from the run-of-the-mill junk.

Don’t forget to check out Google’s recent study on web authoring, featuring statistics from over 1 billion web documents. Table is not dead yet, for sure. Amazing that people still use keywords in meta.

]]> By: Bradley https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10027 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10027 Linky: http://code.google.com/webstats/index.html

]]> By: Christopher Hawkins https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test#comment-10028 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-10028 “Amazing that people still use keywords in meta.”

I don’t know if you noticed, but…MIKE uses keywords in his meta! :p

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