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		By: jordan		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9331</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There has been some discussion amongst the Firefox developers concerning CSS errors in the console. The once I&#039;ve chatted with are in favour of just logging them to the console as a message, rather than as errors. I find it very helpful to log them, however, because it&#039;s the easiest way to find my typos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been some discussion amongst the Firefox developers concerning CSS errors in the console. The once I&#8217;ve chatted with are in favour of just logging them to the console as a message, rather than as errors. I find it very helpful to log them, however, because it&#8217;s the easiest way to find my typos.</p>
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		By: Mike Montgomery		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9343</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Montgomery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A couple of days ago I received a TaxCut CD in the mail.  It looks like both TaxCut and TurboTax had the same idea.  When I received mine, I commented that it was a great marketing move.  If I don&#039;t have to go shopping for it, I&#039;m not going to find an alternative.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of days ago I received a TaxCut CD in the mail.  It looks like both TaxCut and TurboTax had the same idea.  When I received mine, I commented that it was a great marketing move.  If I don&#8217;t have to go shopping for it, I&#8217;m not going to find an alternative.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9342</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Croftie eliminated me to advance to the Fantasy Football Super Bowl this weekend so he can spew whatever jabs he pleases in this particular entry. After that, I will consider an all-inclusive ban of his IP. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Croftie eliminated me to advance to the Fantasy Football Super Bowl this weekend so he can spew whatever jabs he pleases in this particular entry. After that, I will consider an all-inclusive ban of his IP. :)</p>
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		By: Bradley		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9341</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Way to kill an entry, guys. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to kill an entry, guys. :)</p>
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		By: Faruk Ateş		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9340</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Faruk Ateş]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[400 or 800?

Then again, the question about double bandwidth is, in this case, probably better left unanswered...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>400 or 800?</p>
<p>Then again, the question about double bandwidth is, in this case, probably better left unanswered&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jeff Croft		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9339</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Croft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Firewire port seems about right for Davidson.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firewire port seems about right for Davidson.</p>
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		By: Faruk Ateş		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9338</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Faruk Ateş]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, last time I spoke to him about it, Mark didn&#039;t have a girlfriend so all that Mike could &quot;knock up&quot; there is Mark&#039;s Powerbook...

I&#039;m not sure which image frightens me more at this point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, last time I spoke to him about it, Mark didn&#8217;t have a girlfriend so all that Mike could &#8220;knock up&#8221; there is Mark&#8217;s Powerbook&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure which image frightens me more at this point.</p>
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		By: Jeff Croft		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9337</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Croft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The last time I knew someone who called themselves &quot;Spiritual Advisor,&quot; he stole my girlfriend and got her pregnant.

No joke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last time I knew someone who called themselves &#8220;Spiritual Advisor,&#8221; he stole my girlfriend and got her pregnant.</p>
<p>No joke.</p>
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		By: Bradley		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9336</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am absolutely disappointed with FF 1.5, I must say. I laugh every time a site chucks out CSS errors to the &quot;JavaScript Console&quot;. I&#039;m with jordan—let&#039;s log them but not make them errors.

The page rendering going from 1.0.7 — 1.5 is just so much different for standard code. That&#039;s my issue. If it was tabled-up, CSS-hacked, font-tagged code, that would be one thing.

Seriously—somebody try to use javascript to move or resise an element that contains a child element with a background image and padding. For the love of Pete, it screws up your whole page, littering element fragments everywhere!

Can&#039;t wait for 1.5.1, but the reality is: lotsa people will be using 1.5.



BTW, Mike: The day TurboTax decided that DRM was more important than their customers, I switched to TaxCut. My father put TurboTax on his PC, only to find that it wrote low-level code to the reserved sectors on his hard disk (no software does this but disk utilities like GoBack, and viruses).

End result for many people was unbootable computers, and/or the inability to completely remove TurboTax. My dad was one of those people. I tried to convince him not to install it after reading up on the subject, but that &quot;free after rebate&quot; software was just too golden.

This was a major outroar about 2 years back... sorry for the geeky link but ExtremeTech covered the &quot;sector 33&quot; part well: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1152025,00.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1152025,00.asp&lt;/a&gt;

Anyway, not sure what TurboTax for Mac is like, but I personally would rather give HR Block my business since there is no DRM at all. Sadly, it&#039;s the older folk who won&#039;t know any better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am absolutely disappointed with FF 1.5, I must say. I laugh every time a site chucks out CSS errors to the &#8220;JavaScript Console&#8221;. I&#8217;m with jordan—let&#8217;s log them but not make them errors.</p>
<p>The page rendering going from 1.0.7 — 1.5 is just so much different for standard code. That&#8217;s my issue. If it was tabled-up, CSS-hacked, font-tagged code, that would be one thing.</p>
<p>Seriously—somebody try to use javascript to move or resise an element that contains a child element with a background image and padding. For the love of Pete, it screws up your whole page, littering element fragments everywhere!</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait for 1.5.1, but the reality is: lotsa people will be using 1.5.</p>
<p>BTW, Mike: The day TurboTax decided that DRM was more important than their customers, I switched to TaxCut. My father put TurboTax on his PC, only to find that it wrote low-level code to the reserved sectors on his hard disk (no software does this but disk utilities like GoBack, and viruses).</p>
<p>End result for many people was unbootable computers, and/or the inability to completely remove TurboTax. My dad was one of those people. I tried to convince him not to install it after reading up on the subject, but that &#8220;free after rebate&#8221; software was just too golden.</p>
<p>This was a major outroar about 2 years back&#8230; sorry for the geeky link but ExtremeTech covered the &#8220;sector 33&#8221; part well: <a href="http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1152025,00.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1152025,00.asp</a></p>
<p>Anyway, not sure what TurboTax for Mac is like, but I personally would rather give HR Block my business since there is no DRM at all. Sadly, it&#8217;s the older folk who won&#8217;t know any better.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9335</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[??????: Yeah, been a bit busy lately. I definitely need to do one to close out the year. Let me try to get one up tonight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>??????: Yeah, been a bit busy lately. I definitely need to do one to close out the year. Let me try to get one up tonight.</p>
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		By: ??????		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9334</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[??????]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just Curious as to what happened to the ipod giveaways...

Christmas is upon us.....and you promised one every month.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just Curious as to what happened to the ipod giveaways&#8230;</p>
<p>Christmas is upon us&#8230;..and you promised one every month&#8230;..</p>
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		By: David Schontzler		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9333</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Schontzler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.dojotoolkit.org/2005/12/01/useful-tools-console2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Console2&lt;/a&gt;, my friend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blog.dojotoolkit.org/2005/12/01/useful-tools-console2" rel="nofollow">Console2</a>, my friend.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9332</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everybody: Yes, CSS &quot;errors&quot; are useful to see in an output window, but as jordan says, they should be in the &quot;messages&quot; tab or another tab completely. This is a case where the console has, over the years, become a place to mainly debug javascript, so adding these CSS error messages in only muddies the functionality. I will try out Console2.

Jemaleddin: Oh yes, Danni definitely needs to gain some weight, but she looked pretty damn good on that Survivor reunion show. As opposed to Stephanie who looked, ummmm, well, let&#039;s just say she looked better without the makeup, the home perm, and the overly dramatic shaved eyebrows. I wouldn&#039;t peg Danni for the full-on Playmate Of The Month spread, but just one of those trademark &quot;hey, this person&#039;s a celebrity, here she is with very little on&quot; deals.

Phillipe: Ok, regarding the Firefox bugs, nobody ever did get to the bottom of the overflow/sidebar issue, but seeing as the code was valid, the rules were followed, and it worked in every other browser including all previous versions of Firefox, I&#039;m not willing to put the blame on my code at this point. This site used a very standard &quot;float one column, use a margin on the other&quot; layout and something about the new handling of overflow caused that not to work anymore.  The only reason it was not noticeable on many other sites is that most people probably don&#039;t have the overflow property in their layouts.  Soooo... after getting enough complaints from people using Deer Park and other FF beta, I just modified my layout so that everything is floated. That seemed to fix the symptoms, but clearly not the disease. So then FF 1.5 comes out and someone on OS X notices that every single page on my site with over about 200 comments shows up as completely blank. Not only that, but if you try to drag the scrollbar down, you actually freeze up the entire browser. I&#039;ve made a &lt;a href=&quot;https://mikeindustries.com/scratch/fftest&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reduced test-case here&lt;/a&gt;. The &quot;culprit&quot; here is apparently that if you apply an overflow-x css property to any really long div (like one with 200 comments in it), all hell breaks loose.  The only solution is to put an underscore before the css property (or use * HTML) to hide it from Firefox, but hey that&#039;s another error for the console. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody: Yes, CSS &#8220;errors&#8221; are useful to see in an output window, but as jordan says, they should be in the &#8220;messages&#8221; tab or another tab completely. This is a case where the console has, over the years, become a place to mainly debug javascript, so adding these CSS error messages in only muddies the functionality. I will try out Console2.</p>
<p>Jemaleddin: Oh yes, Danni definitely needs to gain some weight, but she looked pretty damn good on that Survivor reunion show. As opposed to Stephanie who looked, ummmm, well, let&#8217;s just say she looked better without the makeup, the home perm, and the overly dramatic shaved eyebrows. I wouldn&#8217;t peg Danni for the full-on Playmate Of The Month spread, but just one of those trademark &#8220;hey, this person&#8217;s a celebrity, here she is with very little on&#8221; deals.</p>
<p>Phillipe: Ok, regarding the Firefox bugs, nobody ever did get to the bottom of the overflow/sidebar issue, but seeing as the code was valid, the rules were followed, and it worked in every other browser including all previous versions of Firefox, I&#8217;m not willing to put the blame on my code at this point. This site used a very standard &#8220;float one column, use a margin on the other&#8221; layout and something about the new handling of overflow caused that not to work anymore.  The only reason it was not noticeable on many other sites is that most people probably don&#8217;t have the overflow property in their layouts.  Soooo&#8230; after getting enough complaints from people using Deer Park and other FF beta, I just modified my layout so that everything is floated. That seemed to fix the symptoms, but clearly not the disease. So then FF 1.5 comes out and someone on OS X notices that every single page on my site with over about 200 comments shows up as completely blank. Not only that, but if you try to drag the scrollbar down, you actually freeze up the entire browser. I&#8217;ve made a <a href="https://mikeindustries.com/scratch/fftest" rel="nofollow">reduced test-case here</a>. The &#8220;culprit&#8221; here is apparently that if you apply an overflow-x css property to any really long div (like one with 200 comments in it), all hell breaks loose.  The only solution is to put an underscore before the css property (or use * HTML) to hide it from Firefox, but hey that&#8217;s another error for the console. :)</p>
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		By: Faruk Ateş		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Faruk Ateş]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep, user agents must ignore it. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/syndata.html#declaration&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Declarations and properties&lt;/a&gt; of the CSS 2 Syntax and Basic Data Types document specifies it as follows:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The syntax of values is specified separately for each property, but in any case, values are built from identifiers, strings, numbers, lengths, percentages, URIs, colors, angles, times, and frequencies.

A user agent must ignore a declaration with an invalid property name or an invalid value. Every CSS2 property has its own syntactic and semantic restrictions on the values it accepts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words, Firefox 1.5 is doing things it shouldn&#039;t do, and is &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; following the W3C specifications.


Xylescope is indeed excellent -- I purchased my copy just yesterday, in fact, after using the trial first. Very, very blissful tool!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, user agents must ignore it. <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/syndata.html#declaration" rel="nofollow">Declarations and properties</a> of the CSS 2 Syntax and Basic Data Types document specifies it as follows:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The syntax of values is specified separately for each property, but in any case, values are built from identifiers, strings, numbers, lengths, percentages, URIs, colors, angles, times, and frequencies.</p>
<p>A user agent must ignore a declaration with an invalid property name or an invalid value. Every CSS2 property has its own syntactic and semantic restrictions on the values it accepts.</p>
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<p>In other words, Firefox 1.5 is doing things it shouldn&#8217;t do, and is <strong>not</strong> following the W3C specifications.</p>
<p>Xylescope is indeed excellent &#8212; I purchased my copy just yesterday, in fact, after using the trial first. Very, very blissful tool!</p>
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		By: John Nunemaker		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/december-randoms#comment-9330</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Nunemaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you install the &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=318102&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Console2&lt;/a&gt; extension you can filter errors by language. I use it to filter out all errors but javascript. I too got tired of seeing the css errors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you install the <a href="http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=318102" rel="nofollow">Console2</a> extension you can filter errors by language. I use it to filter out all errors but javascript. I too got tired of seeing the css errors.</p>
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