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		By: Searching Movable Type with PHP &#8226; Blog Archive &#8226; Joe&#8217;s Apt.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-32944</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Searching Movable Type with PHP &#8226; Blog Archive &#8226; Joe&#8217;s Apt.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Mike Davidson asked for it: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Mike Davidson asked for it: [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Michael Slater		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8026</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Slater]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MT has terrible photo support. It really sucks.  It&#039;s a real pain to incorporate photos nicely and neatly into your articles.

Now that Flickr exists, many would-have-been-blog-articles become a post on Flickr instead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MT has terrible photo support. It really sucks.  It&#8217;s a real pain to incorporate photos nicely and neatly into your articles.</p>
<p>Now that Flickr exists, many would-have-been-blog-articles become a post on Flickr instead.</p>
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		By: Joe D'Andrea		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8025</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe D'Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note that the aforementioned MT/PHP search co-opts the existing search module, which you already noted was giving you agita. Even so ... could be worth a shot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the aforementioned MT/PHP search co-opts the existing search module, which you already noted was giving you agita. Even so &#8230; could be worth a shot.</p>
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		By: Joe D'Andrea		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8027</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe D'Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a brute-force PHP-only search working &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joesapt.net/test/search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s contrived, not to mention excruciatingly limited since it only searches for the text &quot;rss&quot; right now ... but it&#039;s a first step.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a brute-force PHP-only search working <a href="http://www.joesapt.net/test/search" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s contrived, not to mention excruciatingly limited since it only searches for the text &#8220;rss&#8221; right now &#8230; but it&#8217;s a first step.</p>
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		By: Su		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8028</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Su]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s really needed in this case is the ability for MTPermalink (and any other tag which returns a URL) to automatically strip the extension off the end.

Check your contact form e-mail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s really needed in this case is the ability for MTPermalink (and any other tag which returns a URL) to automatically strip the extension off the end.</p>
<p>Check your contact form e-mail.</p>
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		By: Joe D'Andrea		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8029</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe D'Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joesapt.net/test/search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;revised MT/PHP Search example&lt;/a&gt; is now available. Hooray for &quot;Hacking Movable Type!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://www.joesapt.net/test/search" rel="nofollow">revised MT/PHP Search example</a> is now available. Hooray for &#8220;Hacking Movable Type!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Nathan Smith		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8030</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mark: That&#039;s cool, about the 404 baking. While I&#039;m not super familiar with MT, this is sort of what Textpattern does for it&#039;s urls. It&#039;s great, because I recently upgraded from an older version of TXP, so now all my urls are &quot;clean&quot; but the old addresses still work without me having to change anything. So, the url /?id=102/ still goes to the same page as the new url /journal/ie6-multi-class-bug/.

That was my biggest fear in switching TXP versions and moving to Dreamhost, that my urls would be broken, but so far so good. I agree with you too, Mark, that comparable CMS&#039;s like WP are more appealing than MT because they use only PHP and not Perl + PHP, etc.

@Michael: I&#039;ve not yet tried it, but Doug Bowman just released his photo album system for MT under a CC license...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://stopdesign.com/log/2005/08/24/photo-templates.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stopdesign.com/log/2005/08/24/photo-templates.html&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark: That&#8217;s cool, about the 404 baking. While I&#8217;m not super familiar with MT, this is sort of what Textpattern does for it&#8217;s urls. It&#8217;s great, because I recently upgraded from an older version of TXP, so now all my urls are &#8220;clean&#8221; but the old addresses still work without me having to change anything. So, the url /?id=102/ still goes to the same page as the new url /journal/ie6-multi-class-bug/.</p>
<p>That was my biggest fear in switching TXP versions and moving to Dreamhost, that my urls would be broken, but so far so good. I agree with you too, Mark, that comparable CMS&#8217;s like WP are more appealing than MT because they use only PHP and not Perl + PHP, etc.</p>
<p>@Michael: I&#8217;ve not yet tried it, but Doug Bowman just released his photo album system for MT under a CC license&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://stopdesign.com/log/2005/08/24/photo-templates.html" rel="nofollow">stopdesign.com/log/2005/08/24/photo-templates.html</a></p>
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		By: mel hogan		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8031</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mel hogan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike,
I&#039;m just getting started with using a cms for my site. I&#039;m looking for something easy to use, as well as something that is clear enough in the admin area that I could use it as a jump-start to my scripting (i.e. php) I&#039;ve been trying textpattern, but it becomes confusing pretty quick. Do you find MT to be a reasonably simple &quot;out of the box&quot; solution?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
I&#8217;m just getting started with using a cms for my site. I&#8217;m looking for something easy to use, as well as something that is clear enough in the admin area that I could use it as a jump-start to my scripting (i.e. php) I&#8217;ve been trying textpattern, but it becomes confusing pretty quick. Do you find MT to be a reasonably simple &#8220;out of the box&#8221; solution?</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8032</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nathan: When you publish a new post in MT, it is automatically &quot;rebuilt&quot;. You should never have to do this manually. The only time you need to manually rebuild your site is if you change a template or certain preferences.

Joe: Awesome!  With regards to the solution over at orangehairedboy&#039;s site, yeah, that&#039;s what I&#039;m using right now. Not a big fan. Looks like what you&#039;re cooking up might fit the bill nicely though.

Mel: Yep, MT isn&#039;t perfect out of the box, but it&#039;s nice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan: When you publish a new post in MT, it is automatically &#8220;rebuilt&#8221;. You should never have to do this manually. The only time you need to manually rebuild your site is if you change a template or certain preferences.</p>
<p>Joe: Awesome!  With regards to the solution over at orangehairedboy&#8217;s site, yeah, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m using right now. Not a big fan. Looks like what you&#8217;re cooking up might fit the bill nicely though.</p>
<p>Mel: Yep, MT isn&#8217;t perfect out of the box, but it&#8217;s nice.</p>
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		By: Michael G. Schneider		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8033</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael G. Schneider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do agree that Movable Type&#039;s search should be improved. However, I do not believe that it could be implemented in an hour. If you want to do it in a reasonable way, your effort will be higher. Let me elaborate...

[1] If you want to have a good database search, you will have to use the MySQL fulltext search. Searching with simple LIKE-phrases is no real improvement.

[2] If you want to use fulltext search, you have to deal with the problem of database engines. You have to setup some sort of replication or otherwise solve that problem.

[3] Searching is one thing. Giving good result lists is another thing. You have to solve several issues, if you want to offer a good &quot;sort by rank&quot;.

[4] Most of the time, an entry in Movable Type only contains readable text. However, if you want to do this right, you also have to deal with Movable Type tags being inside entries. Searching through the database rows will not be enough. You will have to search through the text that results from the rebuild process. Tags have to be evaluated, the complete text of an article has to be assembled.

[5] As the MySQL parts of this component are not trivial, a good setup and administration interface has to be created. Just giving some SQL to the users is not enough. For example, giving a replication process into the hands of many users, most of them knowing nothing about SQL, is an interesting job.

I have been doing some work on this subject. Initially I integrated the MySQL fulltext search into my own Movable Type Weblog. Then I extended the search, so several websites could be searched, leading to the creation of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mtlookup.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MTLookup&lt;/a&gt; website.

If you are interested, you can find some information in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.movable-type-weblog.com/archive/category/mtlookup.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Movable Type Weblog, MTLookup category&lt;/a&gt;.

Later, I will release the code for fulltext search in Movable Type. It just needs some time for doing it right.

Michael G. Schneider]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that Movable Type&#8217;s search should be improved. However, I do not believe that it could be implemented in an hour. If you want to do it in a reasonable way, your effort will be higher. Let me elaborate&#8230;</p>
<p>[1] If you want to have a good database search, you will have to use the MySQL fulltext search. Searching with simple LIKE-phrases is no real improvement.</p>
<p>[2] If you want to use fulltext search, you have to deal with the problem of database engines. You have to setup some sort of replication or otherwise solve that problem.</p>
<p>[3] Searching is one thing. Giving good result lists is another thing. You have to solve several issues, if you want to offer a good &#8220;sort by rank&#8221;.</p>
<p>[4] Most of the time, an entry in Movable Type only contains readable text. However, if you want to do this right, you also have to deal with Movable Type tags being inside entries. Searching through the database rows will not be enough. You will have to search through the text that results from the rebuild process. Tags have to be evaluated, the complete text of an article has to be assembled.</p>
<p>[5] As the MySQL parts of this component are not trivial, a good setup and administration interface has to be created. Just giving some SQL to the users is not enough. For example, giving a replication process into the hands of many users, most of them knowing nothing about SQL, is an interesting job.</p>
<p>I have been doing some work on this subject. Initially I integrated the MySQL fulltext search into my own Movable Type Weblog. Then I extended the search, so several websites could be searched, leading to the creation of the <a href="http://www.mtlookup.com/" rel="nofollow">MTLookup</a> website.</p>
<p>If you are interested, you can find some information in the <a href="http://www.movable-type-weblog.com/archive/category/mtlookup.html" rel="nofollow">Movable Type Weblog, MTLookup category</a>.</p>
<p>Later, I will release the code for fulltext search in Movable Type. It just needs some time for doing it right.</p>
<p>Michael G. Schneider</p>
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		By: Nathan Smith		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8034</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops, my mistake. Not sure why I had the RSS feed problem (or feature, since I was reading news early). It was from Molly.com, but now I&#039;m not certain what was causing it. Sorry for so quickly attributing it to MT. Truce ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, my mistake. Not sure why I had the RSS feed problem (or feature, since I was reading news early). It was from Molly.com, but now I&#8217;m not certain what was causing it. Sorry for so quickly attributing it to MT. Truce ;)</p>
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		By: Chad		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8043</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I like to save my files out with .php extensions for easier identification and editing, but on the web, I want to refer to them as extensionless.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I only just upgraded to 3.2 yesterday so I&#039;m still learning the newer features, but would the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/docs/3.2/e_archive_file_path_specifiers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Archive File Path Specifiers&lt;/a&gt;, in particular the %F specifier do what you are after for the extensions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I like to save my files out with .php extensions for easier identification and editing, but on the web, I want to refer to them as extensionless.</p></blockquote>
<p>I only just upgraded to 3.2 yesterday so I&#8217;m still learning the newer features, but would the <a href="http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/docs/3.2/e_archive_file_path_specifiers/" rel="nofollow">Archive File Path Specifiers</a>, in particular the %F specifier do what you are after for the extensions?</p>
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		By: Devon		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8041</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like  to know 3 things about MT 3.2:

1. When I have comments enabled, why doesn&#039;t the link to comments at least lead one to a form?

2. Why is there no longer a template for including a comment? They certainly don&#039;t expect me to make one from scratch before I can get commenters, do they?

3. how come the id&#039;s in links don&#039;t start with letters? EX: blah.xml#00027, isn&#039;t ok by the XHTML spec because ID&#039;s must not start with a number. Why do I have to hack through the templates just to get something SO SIMPLE to work that SHOULD work out of the box?

...those are my pet peeves, in addition to the extensionless thing Mike mentioned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like  to know 3 things about MT 3.2:</p>
<p>1. When I have comments enabled, why doesn&#8217;t the link to comments at least lead one to a form?</p>
<p>2. Why is there no longer a template for including a comment? They certainly don&#8217;t expect me to make one from scratch before I can get commenters, do they?</p>
<p>3. how come the id&#8217;s in links don&#8217;t start with letters? EX: blah.xml#00027, isn&#8217;t ok by the XHTML spec because ID&#8217;s must not start with a number. Why do I have to hack through the templates just to get something SO SIMPLE to work that SHOULD work out of the box?</p>
<p>&#8230;those are my pet peeves, in addition to the extensionless thing Mike mentioned.</p>
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		By: Anil		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8042</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Devon, I think all of those issues are resolved if you&#039;re on MT 3.2&#039;s templates, it sounds like you&#039;re describing a blog that&#039;s been upgraded from an older (*very* old) version that might not have addressed those things. You can simply use the template revert function built into 3.2 to get a copy of the modern templates with those features, or refer to the default templates on our site, to copy and paste the markup needed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon, I think all of those issues are resolved if you&#8217;re on MT 3.2&#8217;s templates, it sounds like you&#8217;re describing a blog that&#8217;s been upgraded from an older (*very* old) version that might not have addressed those things. You can simply use the template revert function built into 3.2 to get a copy of the modern templates with those features, or refer to the default templates on our site, to copy and paste the markup needed.</p>
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		By: someone		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/08/movable-type-32-impressions#comment-8040</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[someone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So where is the poll for the iPod giveaway websites?]]></description>
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