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		By: Uma K		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-40240</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uma K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Firefox is faster and thanks to this useful blog I found Backspace takes your browser backwards. Alt + L, Alt+R keys work as well.

Thank you bloggers Mac Fans and Mozillators]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firefox is faster and thanks to this useful blog I found Backspace takes your browser backwards. Alt + L, Alt+R keys work as well.</p>
<p>Thank you bloggers Mac Fans and Mozillators</p>
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		By: moahiek		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-31322</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moahiek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You can use cmd-option-LA/RA to cycle through tabs in Firefox on a mac]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can use cmd-option-LA/RA to cycle through tabs in Firefox on a mac</p>
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		By: Greg Hinch		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1719</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Hinch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to be all about the backspace as well, but my love of Firefox won out and now I use Apple+Left Arrow to go back, and the habit has stuck. I find it nice for a couple reasons. For one, Apple+Right Arrow goes forward, which I do fairly often as well. Also at work I use a PC, and Alt+LA/RA works the same way, so the keys are in the same place. Now what I want is a way to keyboard cycle through tabs the way Ctrl+Tab does on a PC for Mac. Anyone know this shortcut?? Safari does it with Shift+LA/RA, but not Firefox :/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be all about the backspace as well, but my love of Firefox won out and now I use Apple+Left Arrow to go back, and the habit has stuck. I find it nice for a couple reasons. For one, Apple+Right Arrow goes forward, which I do fairly often as well. Also at work I use a PC, and Alt+LA/RA works the same way, so the keys are in the same place. Now what I want is a way to keyboard cycle through tabs the way Ctrl+Tab does on a PC for Mac. Anyone know this shortcut?? Safari does it with Shift+LA/RA, but not Firefox :/</p>
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		By: harry Jones		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1720</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harry Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree, by far the worst part of Firefox is its support for keyboard shortcuts. 

Another one I miss from Safari is Apple + Up and Apple + Down to go to the top and bottom of a long page instantly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, by far the worst part of Firefox is its support for keyboard shortcuts. </p>
<p>Another one I miss from Safari is Apple + Up and Apple + Down to go to the top and bottom of a long page instantly.</p>
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		By: Randy		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1721</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to let you know that Firefox on the PC does in fact support backspace for &quot;Back.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to let you know that Firefox on the PC does in fact support backspace for &#8220;Back.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Krzysztof		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1722</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Krzysztof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does it have to the keyboard? I use clickable scroll wheel in my mouse (cheap MS blue optical mouse) for back action in all browsers and Windows Explorer. Should be programmable under Mac too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it have to the keyboard? I use clickable scroll wheel in my mouse (cheap MS blue optical mouse) for back action in all browsers and Windows Explorer. Should be programmable under Mac too.</p>
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		By: Ryan Rahn		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1723</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Rahn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree. As a long time PC user who just bought a powerbook, I love Firefox for PC, but I have found the lack of the backspace shortcut on Mac Firefox quite annoying. And Safari fails to display RSS exactly the same as Firefox; I don&#039;t know which one would be considered &quot;the right way.&quot; Even so, Safari is more asthetically pleasing as well as having the backspace shortcut, so Safari remains my Mac browser.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. As a long time PC user who just bought a powerbook, I love Firefox for PC, but I have found the lack of the backspace shortcut on Mac Firefox quite annoying. And Safari fails to display RSS exactly the same as Firefox; I don&#8217;t know which one would be considered &#8220;the right way.&#8221; Even so, Safari is more asthetically pleasing as well as having the backspace shortcut, so Safari remains my Mac browser.</p>
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		By: Ryan Rahn		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1724</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Rahn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Correction: &lt;em&gt;CSS &lt;/em&gt; not RSS. Sorry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: <em>CSS </em> not RSS. Sorry.</p>
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		By: patrick h. lauke		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1725</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[patrick h. lauke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[not sure if it works on Mac, but had a play with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/keyconfig&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;keyconfig extension&lt;/a&gt; a while ago and it seemed to do the job on my PC]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not sure if it works on Mac, but had a play with the <a href="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/keyconfig" rel="nofollow">keyconfig extension</a> a while ago and it seemed to do the job on my PC</p>
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		By: Dustin Diaz		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1726</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dustin Diaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kind of a lame thing to come up with...but I wonder if you could implement the backspace as an accesskey which triggers &lt;a&gt;Back&lt;/a&gt;

Now if only everyone would do that...
or maybe if you can just add that javascript to the mozilla .js file. Kind of like how they implemented nicetitles....

it&#039;s definitely worth a try.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of a lame thing to come up with&#8230;but I wonder if you could implement the backspace as an accesskey which triggers <a>Back</a></p>
<p>Now if only everyone would do that&#8230;<br />
or maybe if you can just add that javascript to the mozilla .js file. Kind of like how they implemented nicetitles&#8230;.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s definitely worth a try.</p>
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		By: Ste Grainer		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1727</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ste Grainer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg: As far as I know, Ctrl-Tab and Ctrl-Shift-Tab work just fine in Firefox for cycling through tabs. I&#039;ve been using these shortcuts since at least version 0.8.

Mike D: Well, drat, I just played around with the keyboard shortcut preferences in the OS X System Preferences. Unfortunately, it looks like you can&#039;t assign Backspace (the big Delete key) or any key combination including it. Have you looked into one of the keyboard programs like &lt;a href=&quot;http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;uControl&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://doublecommand.sourceforge.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DoubleCommand&lt;/a&gt;? I&#039;m not positive that they&#039;d be able to handle what you need, but they might be worth checking out.

Personally, I agree with Greg about Cmd-LeftArrow/RightArrow to move back and forward. I&#039;ve been using those since Netscape 4 because I go forward almost as much as I go back. Particularly when comparing different versions of a design (though that&#039;s changed lately with tabs.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: As far as I know, Ctrl-Tab and Ctrl-Shift-Tab work just fine in Firefox for cycling through tabs. I&#8217;ve been using these shortcuts since at least version 0.8.</p>
<p>Mike D: Well, drat, I just played around with the keyboard shortcut preferences in the OS X System Preferences. Unfortunately, it looks like you can&#8217;t assign Backspace (the big Delete key) or any key combination including it. Have you looked into one of the keyboard programs like <a href="http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol/" rel="nofollow">uControl</a> or <a href="http://doublecommand.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">DoubleCommand</a>? I&#8217;m not positive that they&#8217;d be able to handle what you need, but they might be worth checking out.</p>
<p>Personally, I agree with Greg about Cmd-LeftArrow/RightArrow to move back and forward. I&#8217;ve been using those since Netscape 4 because I go forward almost as much as I go back. Particularly when comparing different versions of a design (though that&#8217;s changed lately with tabs.)</p>
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		By: mag		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1728</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is bug 220590 and this has been an open issue for a while. Basically the debate is should a &quot;delete&quot; key be used for navigation instead of deleting something and more stuff about broswer focus, what does what when, etc. Here&#039;s a link:
&lt;a href=&quot;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220590&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220590&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220590&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

It seems kind of pedantic to me, but I guess the Mac hard-liners want their own arrangements. I expect that this will become an option once some basic keyboard command support is introduced soon. I haven&#039;t seen any extension for this per se, but I image that if it bugs you it must bug somebody else also, look around on places like extensionsmirror.nl and maybe you&#039;ll come up lucky.

The aquafication release for Firefox (originally called 1.0Mac) was dropped in favor of doing all of the changes at once in Firefox 1.1 (when aviary-branch will merge back into the Mozilla trunk) and little issues like this and other Mac-only fixes are on the list for then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is bug 220590 and this has been an open issue for a while. Basically the debate is should a &#8220;delete&#8221; key be used for navigation instead of deleting something and more stuff about broswer focus, what does what when, etc. Here&#8217;s a link:<br />
<a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220590" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220590" rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220590</a></p>
<p>It seems kind of pedantic to me, but I guess the Mac hard-liners want their own arrangements. I expect that this will become an option once some basic keyboard command support is introduced soon. I haven&#8217;t seen any extension for this per se, but I image that if it bugs you it must bug somebody else also, look around on places like extensionsmirror.nl and maybe you&#8217;ll come up lucky.</p>
<p>The aquafication release for Firefox (originally called 1.0Mac) was dropped in favor of doing all of the changes at once in Firefox 1.1 (when aviary-branch will merge back into the Mozilla trunk) and little issues like this and other Mac-only fixes are on the list for then.</p>
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		By: Jason Berry		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1729</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Berry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Works perfectly on PC....  =)

Then i&#039;m sure you already knew that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Works perfectly on PC&#8230;.  =)</p>
<p>Then i&#8217;m sure you already knew that.</p>
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		By: Josh Bryant		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1730</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have never used the backspace key for back on the browser but I can understand how annoying that might be.

Here is the one that really gets me though. I ALWAYS have used my scroll wheel push down button to open links in a new tab. That does not work for Firefox Mac... soooooo annoying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never used the backspace key for back on the browser but I can understand how annoying that might be.</p>
<p>Here is the one that really gets me though. I ALWAYS have used my scroll wheel push down button to open links in a new tab. That does not work for Firefox Mac&#8230; soooooo annoying.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/11/backspace-and-mac-firefox#comment-1731</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dustin: Very interesting idea.  And you&#039;re right, it&#039;s definitely worth trying out.

Mag: Thank you for the thorough and informative comment.  Good to know it&#039;s on someone&#039;s plate somewhere.  I don&#039;t so much mind that it&#039;s not a default for the backspace key to work in this fashion as you could easily argue that command-arrow is a better habit to get in, but damn... it should at least be an &lt;em&gt;option&lt;/em&gt;.  I&#039;ll probably just use Safari until this glorious &quot;aquafied&quot; version is released.

Although this seems like a really small interface shortcoming to some, it&#039;s a good lesson in how difficult it is to get people to break browsing habits. Even though I&#039;m already past the tough part of &lt;em&gt;actually wanting&lt;/em&gt; to use Firefox, I simply can&#039;t make the switch because the browser is asking too much of me.

If you want me on board, get rid of all reasons for me not to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dustin: Very interesting idea.  And you&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s definitely worth trying out.</p>
<p>Mag: Thank you for the thorough and informative comment.  Good to know it&#8217;s on someone&#8217;s plate somewhere.  I don&#8217;t so much mind that it&#8217;s not a default for the backspace key to work in this fashion as you could easily argue that command-arrow is a better habit to get in, but damn&#8230; it should at least be an <em>option</em>.  I&#8217;ll probably just use Safari until this glorious &#8220;aquafied&#8221; version is released.</p>
<p>Although this seems like a really small interface shortcoming to some, it&#8217;s a good lesson in how difficult it is to get people to break browsing habits. Even though I&#8217;m already past the tough part of <em>actually wanting</em> to use Firefox, I simply can&#8217;t make the switch because the browser is asking too much of me.</p>
<p>If you want me on board, get rid of all reasons for me not to be.</p>
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