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		By: Chris		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-157</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m seeing the same effect using firefox .8 and win2k.

looking very quickly at the css used for the site, i would guess it has something to do with the huge numbers and/or some padding in the comment containing DIVs. that mixed with the overflow:hidden is the likely culprit.

i think it would still look cool if you took out the overflow:hidden property and just let the minimal comments become the height of the big numbers. i&#039;m not sure that is what would happen, but if it did, it would balance out the small comments guests leave.

i hope that makes sense...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m seeing the same effect using firefox .8 and win2k.</p>
<p>looking very quickly at the css used for the site, i would guess it has something to do with the huge numbers and/or some padding in the comment containing DIVs. that mixed with the overflow:hidden is the likely culprit.</p>
<p>i think it would still look cool if you took out the overflow:hidden property and just let the minimal comments become the height of the big numbers. i&#8217;m not sure that is what would happen, but if it did, it would balance out the small comments guests leave.</p>
<p>i hope that makes sense&#8230;</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-148</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan,

Oh man, that is one &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.disparatedan.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;interesting&quot;&lt;/a&gt; header you have on your site there.  :)

You may also be interested in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.littlewonder.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ourcause/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Comic Sans Appreciation Society&lt;/a&gt;.  Check them out. They are doing some really groundbreaking work in the Comic Sans realm right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Oh man, that is one <a href="http://www.disparatedan.com" rel="nofollow">&#8220;interesting&#8221;</a> header you have on your site there.  :)</p>
<p>You may also be interested in <a href="http://www.littlewonder.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ourcause/index.htm" rel="nofollow">The Comic Sans Appreciation Society</a>.  Check them out. They are doing some really groundbreaking work in the Comic Sans realm right now.</p>
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		By: Reverend Dan		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-149</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reverend Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hahaha! Praise indeed! I can almost see the distaste in your quote marks :Â¬)

And thanks for the link, it&#039;s time to stop villifying comic sans and show it some love. Maybe when I get rid of the fish I&#039;ll get rid of the helvetica too and  make my site a bit more jovial and inoffensive...

ps - The guy who made the comic sans image I linked to up there; he has badges. I can put a good word in for you if you&#039;d like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha! Praise indeed! I can almost see the distaste in your quote marks :Â¬)</p>
<p>And thanks for the link, it&#8217;s time to stop villifying comic sans and show it some love. Maybe when I get rid of the fish I&#8217;ll get rid of the helvetica too and  make my site a bit more jovial and inoffensive&#8230;</p>
<p>ps &#8211; The guy who made the comic sans image I linked to up there; he has badges. I can put a good word in for you if you&#8217;d like.</p>
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		By: Anonymous onlooker		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-150</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous onlooker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Giving users the chance to define their own font is all very well, as long as your content is defined enough to be styled.

*cough* &#039;benefit&#039; *cough*

Pedant?  Moi?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving users the chance to define their own font is all very well, as long as your content is defined enough to be styled.</p>
<p>*cough* &#8216;benefit&#8217; *cough*</p>
<p>Pedant?  Moi?</p>
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		By: AkaXakA		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-151</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AkaXakA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian, the fontbrowser you linked to is absolutely great! Even just for local use it&#039;s pretty much what I&#039;ve been looking for.

Mike, is there any chance of adding the Bitstream Vera Sans Font &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnome.org/fonts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnome.org/fonts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gnome.org/fonts&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to the default list?  It&#039;s a great free font, which in particular Linux users have installed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, the fontbrowser you linked to is absolutely great! Even just for local use it&#8217;s pretty much what I&#8217;ve been looking for.</p>
<p>Mike, is there any chance of adding the Bitstream Vera Sans Font <a href="http://www.gnome.org/fonts/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.gnome.org/fonts" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnome.org/fonts</a> to the default list?  It&#8217;s a great free font, which in particular Linux users have installed.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-152</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Update: I just tried using Flash&#039;s getFontList() function to produce a list of what fonts are installed on a user&#039;s system, and at least on OS X, the font list nomenclature doesn&#039;t match up with the way you&#039;d have to call the font from a stylesheet. For example, Flash returns &quot;Akzidenz Grotesk BE BoldEx&quot; as one of my fonts, but the only way to get it to render as that font in HTML would be to lose the &quot;BE BoldEx&quot; part of it. Other fonts returned in the getFontList() function don&#039;t render at all.  It seems like all of the simple pre-installed fonts work fine, but anything with Postscript variations breaks.  I&#039;ll continue to investigate as I really like this idea.

AkaXakA: I&#039;ll add Vera to the default list if you really want it in there that badly, but that&#039;s what the custom font field is for! Don&#039;t you Linux guys like typing stuff better than pointing and clicking anyway?  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: I just tried using Flash&#8217;s getFontList() function to produce a list of what fonts are installed on a user&#8217;s system, and at least on OS X, the font list nomenclature doesn&#8217;t match up with the way you&#8217;d have to call the font from a stylesheet. For example, Flash returns &#8220;Akzidenz Grotesk BE BoldEx&#8221; as one of my fonts, but the only way to get it to render as that font in HTML would be to lose the &#8220;BE BoldEx&#8221; part of it. Other fonts returned in the getFontList() function don&#8217;t render at all.  It seems like all of the simple pre-installed fonts work fine, but anything with Postscript variations breaks.  I&#8217;ll continue to investigate as I really like this idea.</p>
<p>AkaXakA: I&#8217;ll add Vera to the default list if you really want it in there that badly, but that&#8217;s what the custom font field is for! Don&#8217;t you Linux guys like typing stuff better than pointing and clicking anyway?  :)</p>
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		By: david g		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-153</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david g]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The CSS specs require font names which contain more than two words to be enclosed in double quotes. So:

font-family: Verdana
font-family: Adobe Garamond

are okay,

but:

font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;

is necessary.

It&#039;s in the W3C pages somewhere, it came up on css-discuss a while back. I&#039;m too lazy to look it up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CSS specs require font names which contain more than two words to be enclosed in double quotes. So:</p>
<p>font-family: Verdana<br />
font-family: Adobe Garamond</p>
<p>are okay,</p>
<p>but:</p>
<p>font-family: &#8220;Times New Roman&#8221;</p>
<p>is necessary.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s in the W3C pages somewhere, it came up on css-discuss a while back. I&#8217;m too lazy to look it up.</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-154</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apologies for being off-topic but I just noticed a very strange behaviour: (in Firefox0.9) if you use your mouse to select some of the text in a comment box and then move your mouse down the text scrolls up and completely disappears. I haven&#039;t ever seen this before. Curious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for being off-topic but I just noticed a very strange behaviour: (in Firefox0.9) if you use your mouse to select some of the text in a comment box and then move your mouse down the text scrolls up and completely disappears. I haven&#8217;t ever seen this before. Curious.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-155</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim, that must be a local issue on your end, because using Firefox .9 here doesn&#039;t produce the same effect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, that must be a local issue on your end, because using Firefox .9 here doesn&#8217;t produce the same effect.</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-156</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill, it doesn&#039;t seem to just be a local issue.  I can replicate the effect here using Firefox 0.9 on XP.

Perhaps it&#039;s only caused by the Windows version.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, it doesn&#8217;t seem to just be a local issue.  I can replicate the effect here using Firefox 0.9 on XP.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s only caused by the Windows version.</p>
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		By: Laura Seabrook		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-164</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Seabrook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Er, actually the best ever font tool I&#039;ve ever come across is THE FONT THING. All it does is allow you to browse folders (and defined collections) to view fonts, and also to install/uninstall them as well. Probably outdated by WinXP or something (it&#039;s PC only, but I&#039;m still using WIN98) but it&#039;s FREE.

Web page at &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.ozemail.com.au/~scef/tft.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://members.ozemail.com.au/~scef/tft.html&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, actually the best ever font tool I&#8217;ve ever come across is THE FONT THING. All it does is allow you to browse folders (and defined collections) to view fonts, and also to install/uninstall them as well. Probably outdated by WinXP or something (it&#8217;s PC only, but I&#8217;m still using WIN98) but it&#8217;s FREE.</p>
<p>Web page at <a href="http://members.ozemail.com.au/~scef/tft.html" rel="nofollow">http://members.ozemail.com.au/~scef/tft.html</a></p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-162</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think you should have comic sans on your selector also ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should have comic sans on your selector also ;)</p>
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		By: Justin		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-163</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At the risk of a tangential link, let me offer &lt;a href=&quot;http://typetester.maratz.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://typetester.maratz.com/&lt;/a&gt; to the mix. A very cool text editor/previewer that lets you check out how fonts will look on your site.

It has color, size, all the good stuff. Check it out!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of a tangential link, let me offer <a href="http://typetester.maratz.com/" rel="nofollow">http://typetester.maratz.com/</a> to the mix. A very cool text editor/previewer that lets you check out how fonts will look on your site.</p>
<p>It has color, size, all the good stuff. Check it out!</p>
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		By: GOOGLEæŽ’å		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-161</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GOOGLEæŽ’å]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very good Thank author this article is quite good!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good Thank author this article is quite good!</p>
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		By: Links		</title>
		<link>https://mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/font-selector#comment-165</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Links]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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